LugerMan Restoration Services - Page 3

Kitkat041836 · 05-13-2011, 09:37 AM

Hi Ron
I would be glad to find the worst gun I can and you find the
worst gun you can and I will pay Danner to restore your gun and you can pay Green to restore mine.We can then let the members on this
fourm make up thier minds on the best one.You and I could even make a side bet.
How does that sound.
Thanks George
P.S. Not a good idea after all I might die of old age before I get my gun back.
This is my last post.

Ron Wood · 05-13-2011, 04:47 AM

Ah, there is the rub! Do you really get the same quality quicker? I would love to see a side by side comparison. I suspect that the old saying that you get what you pay for still applies. The devil is in the details. But, who knows?...you may be right.

cirelaw · 05-13-2011, 07:19 PM

Back while i was praticing law there was a dispute between 2 sister over a sily hummel. I knew the other lawyer and instead or ruining 2 days of trial in Miami we agreed with each other to go out and purchase an exaxt copy. They were $50 copies, We both gave our respective fighting client a copy and told them they were under court order not to ever discuss the outcome.They were thrilled! We both charged $250 and everybody was happy!

lew1 · 05-13-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Back while i was praticing law there was a dispute between 2 sister over a sily hummel. I knew the other lawyer and instead or ruining 2 days of trial in Miami we agreed with each other to go out and purchase an exaxt copy. They were $50 copies, We both gave our respective fighting client a copy and told them they were under court order not to ever discuss the outcome.They were thrilled! We both charged $250 and everybody was happy!

If you and the other attorney gave each of the sisters a copy - who had the original ?

cirelaw · 05-13-2011, 09:06 PM

They were both copies that was how easy it was to get a another.

Ben M. · 05-14-2011, 09:43 PM

If you send a Luger to a restoration artist, doesn't he have enough collateral from you in the fact that he has your Luger and would not have to return it until you paid him for his work.

Also, if he has your Luger in hand, why can't a price for all the agreed upon work be agreed to ahead of time ? Why does the work have to be 100% completed before the artist lets you know what the final-price might be.

It sounds like a contractor telling you a kitchen remodel will cost you $ 20,000...but he then tells you it will be $ 25,000 after the work is done for no reason caused by the homeowner.

I guess each fellow in this business can decide how he does the transaction, but the way Mr. Danner is reportedly doing his work seems the way I would choose if I needed a Luger redone.

Mr. Danner's work seems to be of excellent quality and his customer service seems to get high marks too.

(LugerMan's work is amatueristic if you have seen his stuff in person at gun shows.)

sheepherder · 05-14-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben M.

(LugerMan's work is amatueristic if you have seen his stuff in person at gun shows.)

Ben, could you elaborate on this a bit, please? I've only seen his work in pics; on his site, in junglejim's thread, and in another thread whose author I've forgotten...never up close & personal...

Ben M. · 05-15-2011, 10:24 AM

Postino,

I have seen runs in the bluing (like paint runs) and he leaves sanding lines in the ear portions of the frame that should not be there.

How would you like your Broomhandle to come back to you with the "Mausfr" stamping...as it did in one other member's case.

For about the same money, Danner's work is superior and he makes his delivery promises, period.

Why get stressed out for over a year, send numerous emails with no replies or promises never kept, and start to get lawyers involved when there are other options.

Thor and LugerMan would just not be the guys I would use.

LugerMan.com · 02-09-2012, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

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(LugerMan's work is amatueristic if you have seen his stuff in person at gun shows.)

I have seen runs in the bluing (like paint runs) and he leaves sanding lines in the ear portions of the frame that should not be there.

How would you like your Broomhandle to come back to you with the "Mausfr" stamping...as it did in one other member's case.

Hi,

First of all.. i have never been to a single gun show... so i wonder if the example you have seen is a LugerMan.com work.

Second: I do not recall ever leaving 1/2 the mauser logo and not restoring it... and if you know the owner, let him know if that gun was ever in my shop for restoration and i did that, i will fix it for him free of charge.

3ed: same goes for any imperfections of the finish... I have never had a client that had a complaint about any of the work that was not taken back and fixed .. most were in the beginning of my career as a restore in 2002-2003.

Now days this type of problems get corrected before they ever see the light of day.

So please pass this to anyone owner of the restorations that i did ... i stand behind my restorations and any problems will get fixed for free, even for a 10 year old job.

Thanks.

LugerMan.com · 02-09-2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

If you send a Luger to a restoration artist, doesn't he have enough collateral from you in the fact that he has your Luger and would not have to return it until you paid him for his work.

Hi,
Yes that is correct....
But gun in hand does not = money.
Time spend on restoration and no payment = loss of money.

and = delay for others that are willing to pay.

In this modern day with all the financial problems, some times i ask for a 20-30% deposit from new clients to cover my cost in case i do not see a payment after the job is done in case of restorations

In case of carbine conversions 50% down payment, simply pays for the donor gun and the parts that go on it... and cost of labor is covered at the time of delivery.

Never had to sell someone's gun, and hope will never have to.

Thanks.

cirelaw · 05-15-2011, 11:25 AM

Wouldn't be nice to find someone like john Martz who performs work as original and new. I do not believe in luger plastic surgery. Nothing is going to be as good as new...

wayne8661 · 09-04-2011, 06:53 PM

I contacted the Luger man once about restoration on a fat barrel and he didnt even reply to me till a year after I had the restoration done.

I used Ken Karstead for my restoration and he was fast and very reasonable. He was backed up the last time I spoke to him But I think he did a fantastic jon on my piece.

sheepherder · 09-04-2011, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayne8661

I used Ken Karstead for my restoration and he was fast and very reasonable. He was backed up the last time I spoke to him But I think he did a fantastic jon on my piece.

I think I've read his name here before...does he have a web site???

wayne8661 · 09-04-2011, 08:44 PM

No Ken doesnt have a web site he doesnt even do email . He is an old skool gentleman. If anyone wants to contact him I will be glad to provide his phone number.

DavidJayUden · 02-09-2012, 10:19 PM

Eugene:
Welcome, and good to hear you are still alive and kicking.
I just looked at the 1900 AE you did for me a couple of years ago. Very nice.
David Uden
Omaha

Ajruger · 02-09-2012, 11:52 PM

Seriously, what is the deal here. "Thor is best". Ok maybe that is true. Hey. Maybe he does do excellent or the best work. However that doesn't mean someone else can't be just as good or better. We are all human and we all have strengths and weaknesses. Also the thing with "you get what you pay for" is a bunch of crap. Yeah there are some areas where that applies well too. But there are others where you just have to scratch your head and ask why the hell does this cost so much (is it made out of solid gold). I'm sure the ones complaining about someone paying less money and getting a product just as good or better is really putting a bitter taste in there mouth. That is why they are bitching so much. For Pete's sake the guy just wanted to know of some good places to get his pistol restored. Who he picks shouldn't matter a dam bit to you.

MadMike · 03-27-2012, 11:12 PM

I sent a check to Luger Man (Eugene G.) back in January for a number os small parts and all I have gotten in return is that the parts will be shipped etc. I have contacted the postal service and filed a conplaint.

LugerMan.com · 03-28-2012, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMike

I sent a check to Luger Man (Eugene G.) back in January for a number os small parts and all I have gotten in return is that the parts will be shipped etc. I have contacted the postal service and filed a conplaint.

HI,
Some parts that require custom work, take me longer to ship.
If i did not send it already, I will do so this weekend.

I ship parts orders on the weekends and can only prep and ship so meany in one weekend.

I have recently changed my Email footer to note the possible delay in shipping orders.

Thanks.

Kitkat041836 · 03-28-2012, 12:46 PM

I live in Califonia and they no longer accept C &R license.
I have heard that if you have a gun restored you will lose some of it's value as a collectors peace,so it would not be a
good idea to have that done so your grandchildern will not
have a gun that would be worth as much as it would have been if you had not had that done.
Thanks George

cirelaw · 03-27-2012, 11:26 PM

When You find the best. Theres no room for the Rest! 'TED'

05-13-2011, 04:47 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	Ah, there is the rub! Do you really get the same quality quicker? I would love to see a side by side comparison. I suspect that the old saying that you get what you pay for still applies. The devil is in the details. But, who knows?...you may be right. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-09-2012, 11:52 PM	#16
Ajruger User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Near Memphis TN Posts: 39 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Seriously, what is the deal here. "Thor is best". Ok maybe that is true. Hey. Maybe he does do excellent or the best work. However that doesn't mean someone else can't be just as good or better. We are all human and we all have strengths and weaknesses. Also the thing with "you get what you pay for" is a bunch of crap. Yeah there are some areas where that applies well too. But there are others where you just have to scratch your head and ask why the hell does this cost so much (is it made out of solid gold). I'm sure the ones complaining about someone paying less money and getting a product just as good or better is really putting a bitter taste in there mouth. That is why they are bitching so much. For Pete's sake the guy just wanted to know of some good places to get his pistol restored. Who he picks shouldn't matter a dam bit to you. Last edited by Ajruger; 02-10-2012 at 12:10 AM. Reason: Messed up

05-13-2011, 09:37 AM	#1
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Hi Ron I would be glad to find the worst gun I can and you find the worst gun you can and I will pay Danner to restore your gun and you can pay Green to restore mine.We can then let the members on this fourm make up thier minds on the best one.You and I could even make a side bet. How does that sound. Thanks George P.S. Not a good idea after all I might die of old age before I get my gun back. This is my last post.

05-13-2011, 07:19 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Back while i was praticing law there was a dispute between 2 sister over a sily hummel. I knew the other lawyer and instead or ruining 2 days of trial in Miami we agreed with each other to go out and purchase an exaxt copy. They were $50 copies, We both gave our respective fighting client a copy and told them they were under court order not to ever discuss the outcome.They were thrilled! We both charged $250 and everybody was happy!

05-13-2011, 09:06 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	They were both copies that was how easy it was to get a another.

05-14-2011, 09:43 PM	#6
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 499 Thanks: 112 Thanked 157 Times in 98 Posts	If you send a Luger to a restoration artist, doesn't he have enough collateral from you in the fact that he has your Luger and would not have to return it until you paid him for his work. Also, if he has your Luger in hand, why can't a price for all the agreed upon work be agreed to ahead of time ? Why does the work have to be 100% completed before the artist lets you know what the final-price might be. It sounds like a contractor telling you a kitchen remodel will cost you $ 20,000...but he then tells you it will be $ 25,000 after the work is done for no reason caused by the homeowner. I guess each fellow in this business can decide how he does the transaction, but the way Mr. Danner is reportedly doing his work seems the way I would choose if I needed a Luger redone. Mr. Danner's work seems to be of excellent quality and his customer service seems to get high marks too. (LugerMan's work is amatueristic if you have seen his stuff in person at gun shows.)

05-15-2011, 10:24 AM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 499 Thanks: 112 Thanked 157 Times in 98 Posts	Postino, I have seen runs in the bluing (like paint runs) and he leaves sanding lines in the ear portions of the frame that should not be there. How would you like your Broomhandle to come back to you with the "Mausfr" stamping...as it did in one other member's case. For about the same money, Danner's work is superior and he makes his delivery promises, period. Why get stressed out for over a year, send numerous emails with no replies or promises never kept, and start to get lawyers involved when there are other options. Thor and LugerMan would just not be the guys I would use.

05-15-2011, 11:25 AM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Wouldn't be nice to find someone like john Martz who performs work as original and new. I do not believe in luger plastic surgery. Nothing is going to be as good as new...

09-04-2011, 06:53 PM	#12
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I contacted the Luger man once about restoration on a fat barrel and he didnt even reply to me till a year after I had the restoration done. I used Ken Karstead for my restoration and he was fast and very reasonable. He was backed up the last time I spoke to him But I think he did a fantastic jon on my piece.

09-04-2011, 08:44 PM	#14
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 611 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	No Ken doesnt have a web site he doesnt even do email . He is an old skool gentleman. If anyone wants to contact him I will be glad to provide his phone number.

02-09-2012, 10:19 PM	#15
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Eugene: Welcome, and good to hear you are still alive and kicking. I just looked at the 1900 AE you did for me a couple of years ago. Very nice. David Uden Omaha

03-27-2012, 11:12 PM	#17
MadMike New User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Renton, Wa Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I sent a check to Luger Man (Eugene G.) back in January for a number os small parts and all I have gotten in return is that the parts will be shipped etc. I have contacted the postal service and filed a conplaint.

03-28-2012, 12:46 PM	#19
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	I live in Califonia and they no longer accept C &R license. I have heard that if you have a gun restored you will lose some of it's value as a collectors peace,so it would not be a good idea to have that done so your grandchildern will not have a gun that would be worth as much as it would have been if you had not had that done. Thanks George

03-27-2012, 11:26 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	When You find the best. Theres no room for the Rest! 'TED'