Two questions

dittamedia · 08-10-2004, 10:49 AM

Does an Erfurt factory refurbish barrel mark on a matching (including grips but not magazine) 1918 Erfurt diminish it's value, or make it more interesting?
The magazine has a stylized P on the spine at the bottom, and a Swiss-looking cross on the plastic bottom. What do these marks mean?

Thanks

policeluger · 08-10-2004, 11:06 AM

First the mag, it is indeed Swiss, would need pictures and someone here on LF other then I, to give proper year/type...second the gun, I am not sure what an "Erfurt factory refurbished barrel" is...again a picture would help, I'm guessing here, but I do not think it would diminish value at all, but we need to have a clear understanding of what you are asking, can you discribe the barrel proof marks better, and better yet close up pictures...welcome to LF and hope we can help.

dittamedia · 08-10-2004, 11:28 AM

I should have said 'a factory refurbish mark that is placed on the barrel'. All of the marks are proper for that pistol according to the the Technical Information/Markings/Proof Marks/Proof2 section of this site. The refurbish mark is #19, the flattened crown with RC under it. Should have said all this the first time, thanks for the response.

policeluger · 08-10-2004, 11:49 AM

No the value is not diminshed in the least, and Erfurt proof mark are what made this maked interesting and collectable....if we can help let us know

dittamedia · 08-10-2004, 11:53 AM

Thank you policeluger.

Vlim · 08-10-2004, 12:33 PM

Hi,

The P on the spine and the swiss cross point to a late Swiss magazine. Not original to the gun, but interesting anyway.

dittamedia · 08-10-2004, 05:18 PM

Thanks G. van Vlimmeren, I notice Luger owners don't find it too important if the magazines don't match, although it helps if they do of course. Did Lugers come with matching numbered mags, like Nambus or Enfields?

lugerholsterrepair · 08-10-2004, 07:54 PM

dittamedia, Yes, the pistol was originally issued with two matching mags, wood bottoms. The second mag would have the serial # and a + . Additionally it is important that the mag matches cause if it does it adds a bit to the pistol. If it dosen't as is the case with many pistols it is OK too. Yours should have a wooden bottomed magazine. You can probably trade your Swiss mag for one. Actually, if you are going to shoot it the Swiss mag is the better choice. Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 08-10-2004, 08:02 PM

Hi David,

The plastic Swiss magazines started with the M1929 Swiss Lugers made in Bern CH. The plastic came in red, then brown, and finally black. Red is the most desireable of the three...

If you read a recent posting in the Swiss Luger section, you will learn a bit more about the scriptic "P" on the metal spine of this Swiss luger and the little swiss crosses stamped, sometimes, in the plastic "buttons" of the magazine bottom.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Dwight Gruber · 08-10-2004, 10:24 PM

Dittamedia,

The crown/RC on your Erfurt is neither a refurbish nor a replacement mark. It is the mark of the Revisions-Commission.

Lugers and their parts were examined constantly during their manufacture. Occasionally a part would be out of standard in some manner; these would go before the Revisions-Commission and, if the Commission determined that the part could be used without endangering the user, they affixed their stamp to indicate this. These parts were then assembled into their respective Lugers.

Most Erfurts are littered with c/RC stamps (almost never encountered on DWM Lugers), and are one of the features which makes them attractive to some collectors.

--Dwight

G.W. Gill · 08-11-2004, 03:10 AM

Dittamedia, One of my favotites was a 1918 Erfurt. Hope you enjoy yours. Posts and pics please. Glad to have you with us.

dittamedia · 08-11-2004, 02:26 PM

Thanks everyone for all the info!
Pete Ebbink, I went to the Swiss forum and got the info on the Swiss magazine, thanks. I'm in Northern California too, in the north bay area. Are you close?

08-10-2004, 07:54 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	dittamedia, Yes, the pistol was originally issued with two matching mags, wood bottoms. The second mag would have the serial # and a + . Additionally it is important that the mag matches cause if it does it adds a bit to the pistol. If it dosen't as is the case with many pistols it is OK too. Yours should have a wooden bottomed magazine. You can probably trade your Swiss mag for one. Actually, if you are going to shoot it the Swiss mag is the better choice. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-10-2004, 10:49 AM	#1
dittamedia User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Two questions Does an Erfurt factory refurbish barrel mark on a matching (including grips but not magazine) 1918 Erfurt diminish it's value, or make it more interesting? The magazine has a stylized P on the spine at the bottom, and a Swiss-looking cross on the plastic bottom. What do these marks mean? Thanks

08-10-2004, 11:06 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	First the mag, it is indeed Swiss, would need pictures and someone here on LF other then I, to give proper year/type...second the gun, I am not sure what an "Erfurt factory refurbished barrel" is...again a picture would help, I'm guessing here, but I do not think it would diminish value at all, but we need to have a clear understanding of what you are asking, can you discribe the barrel proof marks better, and better yet close up pictures...welcome to LF and hope we can help.

08-10-2004, 11:28 AM	#3
dittamedia User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I should have said 'a factory refurbish mark that is placed on the barrel'. All of the marks are proper for that pistol according to the the Technical Information/Markings/Proof Marks/Proof2 section of this site. The refurbish mark is #19, the flattened crown with RC under it. Should have said all this the first time, thanks for the response.

08-10-2004, 11:49 AM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	No the value is not diminshed in the least, and Erfurt proof mark are what made this maked interesting and collectable....if we can help let us know

08-10-2004, 11:53 AM	#5
dittamedia User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you policeluger.

08-10-2004, 12:33 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The P on the spine and the swiss cross point to a late Swiss magazine. Not original to the gun, but interesting anyway.

08-10-2004, 05:18 PM	#7
dittamedia User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks G. van Vlimmeren, I notice Luger owners don't find it too important if the magazines don't match, although it helps if they do of course. Did Lugers come with matching numbered mags, like Nambus or Enfields?

08-10-2004, 08:02 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi David, The plastic Swiss magazines started with the M1929 Swiss Lugers made in Bern CH. The plastic came in red, then brown, and finally black. Red is the most desireable of the three... If you read a recent posting in the Swiss Luger section, you will learn a bit more about the scriptic "P" on the metal spine of this Swiss luger and the little swiss crosses stamped, sometimes, in the plastic "buttons" of the magazine bottom. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-10-2004, 10:24 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Dittamedia, The crown/RC on your Erfurt is neither a refurbish nor a replacement mark. It is the mark of the Revisions-Commission. Lugers and their parts were examined constantly during their manufacture. Occasionally a part would be out of standard in some manner; these would go before the Revisions-Commission and, if the Commission determined that the part could be used without endangering the user, they affixed their stamp to indicate this. These parts were then assembled into their respective Lugers. Most Erfurts are littered with c/RC stamps (almost never encountered on DWM Lugers), and are one of the features which makes them attractive to some collectors. --Dwight

08-11-2004, 03:10 AM	#11
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dittamedia, One of my favotites was a 1918 Erfurt. Hope you enjoy yours. Posts and pics please. Glad to have you with us.

08-11-2004, 02:26 PM	#12
dittamedia User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks everyone for all the info! Pete Ebbink, I went to the Swiss forum and got the info on the Swiss magazine, thanks. I'm in Northern California too, in the north bay area. Are you close?