Hunting season !!

kidvett · 09-28-2003, 02:23 PM

Hunting Season ahead...

Waterfowl hunting opened yesterday...but I retired from it when Steel shot became mandatory ( it doesnt kills ! )

Gearing up for a couple of Ruffled Grouse trips...

Fine Old British Double should do the job...Cogswell & Harrison Boxlock Ejector 12 Ga. with Eley 1 1/4 oz. 7 1/2 shot ( original Cogswell Brass shells for display only ). Spare guns to includes an assortement of fine Doubles in 12 & 20 Ga...

Any Ruffled Grouse hunters on the Forum ?? It would be interesting to know what are members favorites shotguns !

Mark <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Frank · 09-28-2003, 04:49 PM

Hi Kid, I grew up in Northern Minnesota and hunted Ruffed Grouse quite a bit. My favorite grouse gun was a 20 GA side-by-side. I must add, of all the bird hunting I have done, I liked Grouse Hunting the best!! Good Luck <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

kidvett · 09-28-2003, 07:58 PM

Thanks Frank,

There is also a fine 20 Ga SXS in the luggage for those thick woods...The Old Cogswell is more of an all around gun...that can do `` long shots `` on the side of a trail...For me it's only a Double barrel game !!

There's something special about that Ruffled Grouse going PFFFFFFF ( taking it's flight )...Got to be quick & accurate on those snap shots !!

Kidvett

Brandon · 09-28-2003, 08:25 PM

I love Grouse hunting, I sometimes use a 16 gauge single barrel, and other times I use my Fox 12 gauge side by side,...

The thing I like about Grouse hunting is it's a heck of alot of fun! Even if you come back epmty handed!

Can't wait for the season to get started, I think it opens in October here in Tennessee...

Regards, Brandon

Frank · 09-29-2003, 09:42 AM

Hi Kid, whenever I took a Grouse Novice hunting with me I always told them "If you see a grouse, you should have already shot. They are that quick" Again - Good Luck

John Sabato · 09-29-2003, 11:24 AM

Grouse meat has to be one of the most expensive meats on the planet if you measure it's worth my by the number of shotgun shells it takes to bring it home!

I figure about $25.00 a pound... how bout you Frank?

Frank · 09-29-2003, 03:10 PM

Nah, John, it isn't that bad, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Otherwise, it could be pretty expensive!! I have had some really good luck, like 75 birds per season. Also some pretty bad luck, like several birds per trip!! It really depends upon the year!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ron Wood · 09-29-2003, 03:24 PM

Ruffed Grouse sit tighter and take off noisier than any other bird I hunted. I swear a time or two I think they started to fly up my pants leg. I agree with Frank that they are quick, and the startle factor made them tough to bag, at least for me. Obviously, I didn't know what I was doing!

Frank · 09-29-2003, 09:59 PM

I think the biggest factor is the little buggers know how to get trees between them and you, or at least it seems that way.

Ron, you are absolutely correct about the shock factor when they decide to flush, perhaps it should be called a startle factor. It kinda makes you freeze for a second and that's all they need.

John, I have been pheasant hunting when the price per pound was infinite!!! ie, lots spent and no birds seen!!!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

kidvett · 09-29-2003, 10:49 PM

If I was to evaluate the price of meat per rounds fired I'd say that Waterfowl is the most expensive !! Especially since Steel ****... sorry !...became mandatory !!

Another funny bird is that Woodcock that always takes it's flight when you're about to step on it !!

I do believe in large shot ( 5 or 6 number ) to do the job. 7 1/2 for the 1st round.

Kidvett <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Thor · 10-02-2003, 08:54 PM

New Mexico offers African ORYX hunting on the Whites Sand Missle Range by draw to resident AND Nonresident hunters. 340 WBY was just the ticket for this cow ORYX (yes even the babies are born with horns, ouch!)
<a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TedOryx.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TedOryx.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

kidvett · 10-12-2003, 01:00 PM

Hello,

Back from a successfull Ruffled Grouse trip & preparing for the next one ( Tuesday departure...) We also had the chance to bag a few of those Tetras du Canada ( PIC )

Thor: nice animal you have here !! Are those imported from Africa & living in the wild in New Mexico ?? I do agree that the 340 WBY is a wonderfull cal. for North America...

Mark <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Doubs · 10-12-2003, 02:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tacfoley:
Howja get it to lie down so quiet? The ones we have in OUR local zoo boing around all over the place! tac<hr /></blockquote>Our North American birds learned a few tricks..... like playing possum! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Doubs · 10-12-2003, 02:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Thor:
New Mexico offers African ORYX hunting on the Whites Sand Missle Range by draw to resident AND Nonresident hunters. 340 WBY was just the ticket for this cow ORYX (yes even the babies are born with horns, ouch!)<hr /></blockquote>One afternoon about 1979 - or there about - my family and I were driving from Holloman AFB to Las Cruces when we saw a large Oryx on the road side of the fence. On the Las Cruces side of the San Andres Mountains I stopped in the small town of Organ and called the Game Warden and told them exactly where I'd seen it. I don't know if they did anything about it or not but when we passed that way a few hours later it was gone.

Strider · 10-13-2003, 02:40 PM

Many times my family and I have seen Oryx along the road at the north end of WSMR. We have on occasion seen several herd of antelope and mule deer. It amazes me that at times you will see all or many of these animals together grazing. We have also seen a cow elk that came down off the mountain near Ruidoso at the range. Neat place to see some of these fine looking animals.
Sid.

Steve Richards · 10-13-2003, 11:32 PM

I still rember the first time that I saww a grouse. I had heard them drumming numerous times in the woods by our house but had not seen one. One day, I wa walking along a trail in those woods and stepped up on a log and was stepping down the other side with one foot on the log and one in the air when a grouse flushed from under my airborne foot. I thought I was dead! I only saw it for maybe a second before it was lost in the trees but it certainly made for a memorable introduction.

George Anderson · 10-13-2003, 11:44 PM

Kidvett, my first shotgun was a cased side-by-side Cogswell and Harrison. It was given to me by my grandfather at the age of 12. Used to hunt quail and ruffed grouse through my early youth, I sold it when 18 to help pay tuition. It seems that my family was moneyed but I wasn't.

I still keep an eye peeled for that C&H at gunshows. I now shoot a Webley-Scott twenty and a couple of Merkel twelves O/U and SxS. The most recent is a Luftwaffe marked 203(?).

Grouse are getting hard and I am now dogless...anybody have a line on a really good GSHP pup?

George Anderson · 10-13-2003, 11:47 PM

Hey kidvet, I actually hunted "bluegrouse" several years in the 60's and 70's in Quebec on the Forillon of the Gaspe' Peninsula. Those trips with a serviceable but nasty little Spanish SxS. I was actually up there several years to trap migrating goshawks.

Driving a Volvo P1800 in Late August of 1969, I picked up an enchanting college girl from Montreal who was hitch hiking. She spoke not a word of English or 'merican for that matter but we had a lovely seventy-two hours together until she was lured away by some sweet smelling frenchman.I later kicked his ass and was shipped overseas for a few years. Not for kicking his ass though.

You see, I was one of the few US Army draftees who went to Canada in the sixty's and seventy's and subsequently reported for overseas duty. I went to Canada for sport.

Hugh · 10-14-2003, 12:04 AM

Is a Grouse one of them Prairie Chicken looking thingys?

I ain't never shot no Grouse, but I shot Ptarmigan in Alaska. Howsomever we didnt use no duble shotgun. We shot 'em in the head with a 22 pistol wilst they wuz sittin on a limb. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Roadkill · 10-14-2003, 07:06 PM

Hugh, I'm really sorry you shot your hunting buddy Mr. Ptarmigan while on your trip to Alaska.
Condolences...

rk

09-28-2003, 02:23 PM	#1
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hunting season !! Hunting Season ahead... Waterfowl hunting opened yesterday...but I retired from it when Steel shot became mandatory ( it doesnt kills ! ) Gearing up for a couple of Ruffled Grouse trips... Fine Old British Double should do the job...Cogswell & Harrison Boxlock Ejector 12 Ga. with Eley 1 1/4 oz. 7 1/2 shot ( original Cogswell Brass shells for display only ). Spare guns to includes an assortement of fine Doubles in 12 & 20 Ga... Any Ruffled Grouse hunters on the Forum ?? It would be interesting to know what are members favorites shotguns ! Mark <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

09-29-2003, 11:24 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Grouse meat has to be one of the most expensive meats on the planet if you measure it's worth my by the number of shotgun shells it takes to bring it home! I figure about $25.00 a pound... how bout you Frank? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-29-2003, 03:24 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Ruffed Grouse sit tighter and take off noisier than any other bird I hunted. I swear a time or two I think they started to fly up my pants leg. I agree with Frank that they are quick, and the startle factor made them tough to bag, at least for me. Obviously, I didn't know what I was doing! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-02-2003, 08:54 PM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	New Mexico offers African ORYX hunting on the Whites Sand Missle Range by draw to resident AND Nonresident hunters. 340 WBY was just the ticket for this cow ORYX (yes even the babies are born with horns, ouch!) <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TedOryx.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/TedOryx.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

10-12-2003, 02:33 PM	#13
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by tacfoley: <strong>Howja get it to lie down so quiet? The ones we have in OUR local zoo boing around all over the place! tac</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Our North American birds learned a few tricks..... like playing possum! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

09-28-2003, 04:49 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Kid, I grew up in Northern Minnesota and hunted Ruffed Grouse quite a bit. My favorite grouse gun was a 20 GA side-by-side. I must add, of all the bird hunting I have done, I liked Grouse Hunting the best!! Good Luck <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

09-28-2003, 07:58 PM	#3
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks Frank, There is also a fine 20 Ga SXS in the luggage for those thick woods...The Old Cogswell is more of an all around gun...that can do `` long shots `` on the side of a trail...For me it's only a Double barrel game !! There's something special about that Ruffled Grouse going PFFFFFFF ( taking it's flight )...Got to be quick & accurate on those snap shots !! Kidvett

09-28-2003, 08:25 PM	#4
Brandon User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 329 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love Grouse hunting, I sometimes use a 16 gauge single barrel, and other times I use my Fox 12 gauge side by side,... The thing I like about Grouse hunting is it's a heck of alot of fun! Even if you come back epmty handed! Can't wait for the season to get started, I think it opens in October here in Tennessee... Regards, Brandon

09-29-2003, 09:42 AM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Kid, whenever I took a Grouse Novice hunting with me I always told them "If you see a grouse, you should have already shot. They are that quick" Again - Good Luck

09-29-2003, 03:10 PM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Nah, John, it isn't that bad, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. Otherwise, it could be pretty expensive!! I have had some really good luck, like 75 birds per season. Also some pretty bad luck, like several birds per trip!! It really depends upon the year!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

09-29-2003, 09:59 PM	#9
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	I think the biggest factor is the little buggers know how to get trees between them and you, or at least it seems that way. Ron, you are absolutely correct about the shock factor when they decide to flush, perhaps it should be called a startle factor. It kinda makes you freeze for a second and that's all they need. John, I have been pheasant hunting when the price per pound was infinite!!! ie, lots spent and no birds seen!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

09-29-2003, 10:49 PM	#10
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	If I was to evaluate the price of meat per rounds fired I'd say that Waterfowl is the most expensive !! Especially since Steel ****... sorry !...became mandatory !! Another funny bird is that Woodcock that always takes it's flight when you're about to step on it !! I do believe in large shot ( 5 or 6 number ) to do the job. 7 1/2 for the 1st round. Kidvett <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

10-12-2003, 01:00 PM	#12
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello, Back from a successfull Ruffled Grouse trip & preparing for the next one ( Tuesday departure...) We also had the chance to bag a few of those Tetras du Canada ( PIC ) Thor: nice animal you have here !! Are those imported from Africa & living in the wild in New Mexico ?? I do agree that the 340 WBY is a wonderfull cal. for North America... Mark <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

10-12-2003, 02:38 PM	#14
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Thor: <strong>New Mexico offers African ORYX hunting on the Whites Sand Missle Range by draw to resident AND Nonresident hunters. 340 WBY was just the ticket for this cow ORYX (yes even the babies are born with horns, ouch!)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">One afternoon about 1979 - or there about - my family and I were driving from Holloman AFB to Las Cruces when we saw a large Oryx on the road side of the fence. On the Las Cruces side of the San Andres Mountains I stopped in the small town of Organ and called the Game Warden and told them exactly where I'd seen it. I don't know if they did anything about it or not but when we passed that way a few hours later it was gone.

10-13-2003, 02:40 PM	#15
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Many times my family and I have seen Oryx along the road at the north end of WSMR. We have on occasion seen several herd of antelope and mule deer. It amazes me that at times you will see all or many of these animals together grazing. We have also seen a cow elk that came down off the mountain near Ruidoso at the range. Neat place to see some of these fine looking animals. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

10-13-2003, 11:32 PM	#16
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I still rember the first time that I saww a grouse. I had heard them drumming numerous times in the woods by our house but had not seen one. One day, I wa walking along a trail in those woods and stepped up on a log and was stepping down the other side with one foot on the log and one in the air when a grouse flushed from under my airborne foot. I thought I was dead! I only saw it for maybe a second before it was lost in the trees but it certainly made for a memorable introduction.

10-13-2003, 11:44 PM	#17
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Kidvett, my first shotgun was a cased side-by-side Cogswell and Harrison. It was given to me by my grandfather at the age of 12. Used to hunt quail and ruffed grouse through my early youth, I sold it when 18 to help pay tuition. It seems that my family was moneyed but I wasn't. I still keep an eye peeled for that C&H at gunshows. I now shoot a Webley-Scott twenty and a couple of Merkel twelves O/U and SxS. The most recent is a Luftwaffe marked 203(?). Grouse are getting hard and I am now dogless...anybody have a line on a really good GSHP pup?

10-13-2003, 11:47 PM	#18
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Hey kidvet, I actually hunted "bluegrouse" several years in the 60's and 70's in Quebec on the Forillon of the Gaspe' Peninsula. Those trips with a serviceable but nasty little Spanish SxS. I was actually up there several years to trap migrating goshawks. Driving a Volvo P1800 in Late August of 1969, I picked up an enchanting college girl from Montreal who was hitch hiking. She spoke not a word of English or 'merican for that matter but we had a lovely seventy-two hours together until she was lured away by some sweet smelling frenchman.I later kicked his ass and was shipped overseas for a few years. Not for kicking his ass though. You see, I was one of the few US Army draftees who went to Canada in the sixty's and seventy's and subsequently reported for overseas duty. I went to Canada for sport.

10-14-2003, 12:04 AM	#19
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Is a Grouse one of them Prairie Chicken looking thingys? I ain't never shot no Grouse, but I shot Ptarmigan in Alaska. Howsomever we didnt use no duble shotgun. We shot 'em in the head with a 22 pistol wilst they wuz sittin on a limb. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-14-2003, 07:06 PM	#20
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Hugh, I'm really sorry you shot your hunting buddy Mr. Ptarmigan while on your trip to Alaska. Condolences... rk