Ralph Shattuck

Motown · 10-09-2004, 08:36 AM

I bought a pistol from Ralph a few years back- and was at his web site a few days back w/no 'list' available... is he still doing well? Any ideas where to look for G date? Looking to add it to my modest collection (that consists of a lone K date)

Semper Fidelis.

champ7fc · 10-09-2004, 08:53 AM

I just checked the site, I had no problem getting in. I spoke to Ralph a few months ago and would say he is doing fine.
Craig

Pete Ebbink · 10-09-2004, 12:21 PM

The 3 G-dates on WOL's List # 243 are marked as sold.

The Folks at FGS (Doug Smith) have a couple for sale :

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo.html

wterrell · 10-09-2004, 03:27 PM

I have never been to Ralph's World of Lugers website because the concept of paying a person to see what he has for sale has sort of baffled me into a stupor. As soon as I am able to grasp onto the logic of this arrangement, I will slap down my cash and browse his wares.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-09-2004, 04:20 PM

Wes, I too share your sentiments in this particular respect. For that same reason I have never been able to see what Herr Shattuck has for sale.
I believe this practice among some elderly dealers originated in years past with the offering of "lists" if you,(the customer) would cover the price of postage and printing. This was common before the advent of the internet. It seems it has carried over among those people who find a profit in it.
I have a Friend who was giving away printed sheets at gun shows, some information or other, I forget exactly what and no one would take one. He then priced them for a quarter and sold enough to cover his table rent. Human nature is a strange animal. Jerry Burney

Navy · 10-09-2004, 04:58 PM

All,

Saw Ralph at the Chantilly show today. He is moving a little slower but still moving. Nancy was there with him.

Tom A.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2004, 06:52 PM

Although once you pay, you are on the list and it is fun to browse around....

Ed

wterrell · 10-09-2004, 07:54 PM

I enjoy being oblivious/unconscious of those who laugh up their sleeve at me. It would cause me many sleepless nights to know for certain that an identifiable individual has that privilege.

Edward Tinker · 10-09-2004, 07:58 PM

ThatÃ¢??s too much like work, to worry about the little things

But that is why I'll never be a millionaire, I like a bit of fun without worrying about the small things like money for those kind of things...

George Anderson · 10-09-2004, 10:51 PM

Wes, Jerry, email me offline,geo

minigun · 10-11-2004, 02:01 AM

I have to agree with Wes & lugerholsterrepair. I aint paying anyone for a list of stuff THEY have for sale. Too bad because I think I would enjoy looking at his stuff too & he'd probably have more customers if he'd just post what he's got. Maybe it's just me.

minigun · 10-11-2004, 02:03 AM

Pete, who is "FGS"? I like a couple of their P.38's they have.

lew1 · 10-11-2004, 08:20 AM

It is Doug Smith

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/

Very reliable & honest.

John Sabato · 10-11-2004, 09:49 AM

I agree with the assessment that the price to see what is available dates back to the lists like Ralph and Randy Bessler...

In Ralph's case, I think that he made the decision that it would carry over in order to make the website self financing...

I saw several forum members at the Chantilly show, most for the first time. Ralph and Nancy Shattuck among them. Tom A. is correct that Ralph is moving very slowly these days...

Minigun, you missed your chance to hand pick your P-38's at this show. Doug Smith brought a whole case of them with him... Some were VERY nice...

minigun · 10-12-2004, 12:20 AM

Yep, that's me, "a dollar short and an hour late". Couldn't have made it anyway up there. Too far to drive. I have emailed him though on some P.38's. Thanks

Ron Smith · 10-12-2004, 12:39 AM

I'm sorry to say that I paid to view Ralph's wares. Nothing to see. Very few photos that I could find. Just print and prices. I would like a refund.
Ron

Pete Ebbink · 10-12-2004, 12:04 PM

I think Randy Bessler's system is probably the most fair.

He still offers a paper list/subscription for folks that want to receive it in the Mail...do not forget...not all gun nuts have PC's and surf the Internet...for those collectors, Randy's list is probably worth the small cost for printing, handling, shipping.

Randy makes the same List available on the Web with good photos...for free for the rest of the world. But Randy seems to hold off updating his web site inventory for a week or so until the folks receiving and paying for the paper List to have first crack at the inventory...

Nice and fair for both worlds...IMO...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 10-12-2004, 12:32 PM

To reinforce Pete's theory... the gentleman I met at the Chantilly show last Saturday who owned about 30 Lugers and had them on display told me he only accessed the Internet at a public place a couple of times a month, and then only in regards to activities for seniors... I am sure he was a subscriber to Randy Bessler's list...

norm4391 · 10-12-2004, 05:11 PM

John How do you fine Randy Bessler's list? thinks.

Leon DeSpain · 10-12-2004, 05:24 PM

http://www.collectorfirearms.us/

Regards, Leon

10-09-2004, 08:36 AM	#1
Motown User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Double Oak, TX Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ralph Shattuck I bought a pistol from Ralph a few years back- and was at his web site a few days back w/no 'list' available... is he still doing well? Any ideas where to look for G date? Looking to add it to my modest collection (that consists of a lone K date) Semper Fidelis. __________________ "Avoid excessive sharpness or harshness of voice, which usually indicates the man who has shortcomings of his own to hide." --Field Marshall Erwin Rommel

10-09-2004, 08:53 AM	#2
champ7fc User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Connecticut Posts: 103 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I just checked the site, I had no problem getting in. I spoke to Ralph a few months ago and would say he is doing fine. Craig __________________ cfm

10-09-2004, 03:27 PM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I have never been to Ralph's World of Lugers website because the concept of paying a person to see what he has for sale has sort of baffled me into a stupor. As soon as I am able to grasp onto the logic of this arrangement, I will slap down my cash and browse his wares. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-09-2004, 04:20 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Wes, I too share your sentiments in this particular respect. For that same reason I have never been able to see what Herr Shattuck has for sale. I believe this practice among some elderly dealers originated in years past with the offering of "lists" if you,(the customer) would cover the price of postage and printing. This was common before the advent of the internet. It seems it has carried over among those people who find a profit in it. I have a Friend who was giving away printed sheets at gun shows, some information or other, I forget exactly what and no one would take one. He then priced them for a quarter and sold enough to cover his table rent. Human nature is a strange animal. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-09-2004, 06:52 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Although once you pay, you are on the list and it is fun to browse around.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2004, 12:21 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	The 3 G-dates on WOL's List # 243 are marked as sold. The Folks at FGS (Doug Smith) have a couple for sale : http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/photo.html

10-09-2004, 04:58 PM	#6
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, Saw Ralph at the Chantilly show today. He is moving a little slower but still moving. Nancy was there with him. Tom A.

10-09-2004, 07:54 PM	#8
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I enjoy being oblivious/unconscious of those who laugh up their sleeve at me. It would cause me many sleepless nights to know for certain that an identifiable individual has that privilege. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-09-2004, 07:58 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	ThatÃ¢??s too much like work, to worry about the little things But that is why I'll never be a millionaire, I like a bit of fun without worrying about the small things like money for those kind of things... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-09-2004, 10:51 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Wes, Jerry, email me offline,geo

10-11-2004, 02:01 AM	#11
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	I have to agree with Wes & lugerholsterrepair. I aint paying anyone for a list of stuff THEY have for sale. Too bad because I think I would enjoy looking at his stuff too & he'd probably have more customers if he'd just post what he's got. Maybe it's just me.

10-11-2004, 02:03 AM	#12
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Pete, who is "FGS"? I like a couple of their P.38's they have.

10-11-2004, 08:20 AM	#13
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	It is Doug Smith http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/ Very reliable & honest. __________________ charlie

10-11-2004, 09:49 AM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I agree with the assessment that the price to see what is available dates back to the lists like Ralph and Randy Bessler... In Ralph's case, I think that he made the decision that it would carry over in order to make the website self financing... I saw several forum members at the Chantilly show, most for the first time. Ralph and Nancy Shattuck among them. Tom A. is correct that Ralph is moving very slowly these days... Minigun, you missed your chance to hand pick your P-38's at this show. Doug Smith brought a whole case of them with him... Some were VERY nice... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-12-2004, 12:20 AM	#15
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Yep, that's me, "a dollar short and an hour late". Couldn't have made it anyway up there. Too far to drive. I have emailed him though on some P.38's. Thanks

10-12-2004, 12:39 AM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I'm sorry to say that I paid to view Ralph's wares. Nothing to see. Very few photos that I could find. Just print and prices. I would like a refund. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-12-2004, 12:04 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I think Randy Bessler's system is probably the most fair. He still offers a paper list/subscription for folks that want to receive it in the Mail...do not forget...not all gun nuts have PC's and surf the Internet...for those collectors, Randy's list is probably worth the small cost for printing, handling, shipping. Randy makes the same List available on the Web with good photos...for free for the rest of the world. But Randy seems to hold off updating his web site inventory for a week or so until the folks receiving and paying for the paper List to have first crack at the inventory... Nice and fair for both worlds...IMO... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

10-12-2004, 12:32 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	To reinforce Pete's theory... the gentleman I met at the Chantilly show last Saturday who owned about 30 Lugers and had them on display told me he only accessed the Internet at a public place a couple of times a month, and then only in regards to activities for seniors... I am sure he was a subscriber to Randy Bessler's list... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-12-2004, 05:11 PM	#19
norm4391 User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: st.charles mo. Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John How do you fine Randy Bessler's list? thinks. __________________ old rascal from Mo.

10-12-2004, 05:24 PM	#20
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	http://www.collectorfirearms.us/ Regards, Leon