Luger ID; 1466 (1918 top engraging)

escottc · 11-23-2016, 09:34 PM

Hello,

My father left 2 Luger pistols after his death. Thank you for any direction on identifying these is greatly appreciated.

Not pictured, Luger with 34325.

Thank you,
Scott

DonVoigt · 11-23-2016, 09:45 PM

Welcome,

We can't help you much with such minimal information.
Please read the stickys at the beginning of the forum on "how to identify my luger".
You will need more, and close up pictures.

There is a date on the top of the chamber that I can't make out. The receiver appears to have DWM acceptance and proofing.

DavidJayUden · 11-23-2016, 10:02 PM

Looks like a nice WW1 DWM gun with original finish. Bad news is that the magazine is not correct to that gun, but the good news is that it is for a Navy model and is one rare bird.
The other gun is probably a commercial model.
More photos and info. on both guns will get you info. about them.
dju

Edward Tinker · 11-23-2016, 10:21 PM

title says 1918 - assume by lack of erfurt, that it has a DWM toggle

as said above, words, lots of words and pictures

welcome to the forum

escottc · 11-23-2016, 11:01 PM

Thank you all for the advice. Brings back memories of my dad. I was just mentioning the one, with details, so to get one done at a time so photos wouldn't be mixed up or confusing.

Not really sure what to say about them other than they are 9mm (as far as I'm aware). I probably had the wrong clip in the pervious photos. We have fired them, but it been about a decade since. So, from what I know they do function. Again, not positive about the caliber.

Mauser(?) Luger marked with 34325. Post to follow with remaining photos of this model. Then will post about other Luger. Give me about 15 minutes for the other one.

escottc · 11-23-2016, 11:04 PM

Additional photos of 34325

Norme · 11-23-2016, 11:20 PM

Hi Scott,
Welcome to the forum! The Navy magazine (the one with the concentric rings on it's base) interests me. Could you post a photo showing it's numbers and markings? It could be of some value to an owner of a matching number Navy Luger.
Thanks, Norm

escottc · 11-23-2016, 11:23 PM

Luger 1466 marked (following post will have remaining photos)

escottc · 11-23-2016, 11:32 PM

1466 continued

DavidJayUden · 11-24-2016, 12:19 AM

Not really my area, but 34325 appears to me to be a commercial model of 1906, made for export to the USA market, referred to as an American Eagle model. Most likely NOT 9mm, but .30 Luger.
Both guns appear to be unmolested originals, and very nice pieces.
Congratulations, and welcome to the forum.
dju

escottc · 11-24-2016, 02:12 AM

Thank you all! I look forward to find out more. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving. Be well. - Scott

escottc · 11-24-2016, 02:33 AM

Sorry. I missed the question about the clip. Here you go. Says "2214" on the wood.

escottc · 11-24-2016, 02:14 PM

@Norme, I posted photos of the magazine you were asking about. Missed your message before. Thanks.

Norme · 11-24-2016, 02:43 PM

Hi Scott,
Thanks for posting the magazine photos. Unfortunately there are no known Navy Lugers out there numbered 2214, several close though.
Regards, Norm

escottc · 11-24-2016, 03:07 PM

Thank you Norm. Wonder if the one my father had was a fake then. Mainly now, I'm worried about the magazines these 2 pistols have. Might suggest some faking or alterations.

I believe the 1819 is faked on the 1466 (because the 1819's I've seen are stamped 1819, where this one is engraved). Still waiting for someone to try and ID that one.

Thus far, I understand that:
34325: 1903 American Eagle 0.3 (763mm?)
1466: WW1 DWM

Any suggestion for a title for these so I can sell on GunBroker would be very helpful. I don't want to price them wrong but also want to honor my father by not letting them go for too cheap. Planning to invest that money into my son's continuing education.

I don't know enough about Lugers (obviously, since I'm posting to a Luger forum as a new memeber) to know what other information would be needed to ID these.

Thank you,
Scott

kurusu · 11-24-2016, 04:06 PM

I'm not so sure the number in the magazine base is 2214.

sheepherder · 11-24-2016, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

I'm not so sure the number in the magazine base is 2214.

I think he has it right. If it was an 8 or a 3, the top would be smaller than the bottom. The lines are right for a 2.

escottc · 11-24-2016, 04:56 PM

@kurusu, Think you are right about that. Might be that the "4" is just scuff/scratch. Very hard to tell. Might just be 221. Scratches kind of look like an off set number. "4" or a "1". Thanks for helping me look at it more closely. I definitely need to look into getting a new glasses perspiration.

mrerick · 11-24-2016, 05:29 PM

We have a rather useful FAQ available. Just download the PDF you'll find at the FAQ reference page.

You have two collectible Lugers. They look to be in very good condition. In your earlier post were you referring to "1918" rather than "1819"? I don't see anything wrong with the date stamp above the chamber from your pictures, but better sharp pictures with more detail might help with judging that better. Rather than being engraved, it might have been struck with a sharp new die. It might also have been touched up by an engraver at some point.

The "RC" revisions commission (rework) mark is rather unusual on DWM made Lugers. This is generally seen on Erfurt manufactured Lugers.

The "c" is part of the gun's serial number, and a suffix letter.

escottc · 11-24-2016, 05:46 PM

@mrerick. Thank you for the direction. I'll find the PDF and take a look. Yes on the "1918". My bad. Sorry for the mistake. I got a touch of dyslexia, especially when it comes to numbers.

Blowing my mind how many different models and such. A bit overwhelming for someone that is ignorant of Lugers.

Your mention of the unusual mark is concerning to me. Just hope they weren't put together with replacement parts in the past. I definitely don't want to try and sell it only to find out they are faked in some way.

If I were to sell these, what should I title each of them for listing? If that is too much to ask, with the information supplied, I understand. Again, I'll find that PDF you mentioned.

Cheers,
Scott

11-23-2016, 09:45 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Welcome, We can't help you much with such minimal information. Please read the stickys at the beginning of the forum on "how to identify my luger". You will need more, and close up pictures. There is a date on the top of the chamber that I can't make out. The receiver appears to have DWM acceptance and proofing. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-23-2016, 10:21 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,607 Times in 2,123 Posts	title says 1918 - assume by lack of erfurt, that it has a DWM toggle as said above, words, lots of words and pictures welcome to the forum __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-24-2016, 05:29 PM	#19
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	We have a rather useful FAQ available. Just download the PDF you'll find at the FAQ reference page. You have two collectible Lugers. They look to be in very good condition. In your earlier post were you referring to "1918" rather than "1819"? I don't see anything wrong with the date stamp above the chamber from your pictures, but better sharp pictures with more detail might help with judging that better. Rather than being engraved, it might have been struck with a sharp new die. It might also have been touched up by an engraver at some point. The "RC" revisions commission (rework) mark is rather unusual on DWM made Lugers. This is generally seen on Erfurt manufactured Lugers. The "c" is part of the gun's serial number, and a suffix letter. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-23-2016, 10:02 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Looks like a nice WW1 DWM gun with original finish. Bad news is that the magazine is not correct to that gun, but the good news is that it is for a Navy model and is one rare bird. The other gun is probably a commercial model. More photos and info. on both guns will get you info. about them. dju

11-23-2016, 11:20 PM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Scott, Welcome to the forum! The Navy magazine (the one with the concentric rings on it's base) interests me. Could you post a photo showing it's numbers and markings? It could be of some value to an owner of a matching number Navy Luger. Thanks, Norm

11-24-2016, 12:19 AM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Not really my area, but 34325 appears to me to be a commercial model of 1906, made for export to the USA market, referred to as an American Eagle model. Most likely NOT 9mm, but .30 Luger. Both guns appear to be unmolested originals, and very nice pieces. Congratulations, and welcome to the forum. dju

11-24-2016, 02:12 AM	#11
escottc User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thank you all! I look forward to find out more. Everyone have a great Thanksgiving. Be well. - Scott

11-24-2016, 02:14 PM	#13
escottc User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	@Norme, I posted photos of the magazine you were asking about. Missed your message before. Thanks.

11-24-2016, 02:43 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Scott, Thanks for posting the magazine photos. Unfortunately there are no known Navy Lugers out there numbered 2214, several close though. Regards, Norm

11-24-2016, 03:07 PM	#15
escottc User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thank you Norm. Wonder if the one my father had was a fake then. Mainly now, I'm worried about the magazines these 2 pistols have. Might suggest some faking or alterations. I believe the 1819 is faked on the 1466 (because the 1819's I've seen are stamped 1819, where this one is engraved). Still waiting for someone to try and ID that one. Thus far, I understand that: 34325: 1903 American Eagle 0.3 (763mm?) 1466: WW1 DWM Any suggestion for a title for these so I can sell on GunBroker would be very helpful. I don't want to price them wrong but also want to honor my father by not letting them go for too cheap. Planning to invest that money into my son's continuing education. I don't know enough about Lugers (obviously, since I'm posting to a Luger forum as a new memeber) to know what other information would be needed to ID these. Thank you, Scott

11-24-2016, 04:06 PM	#16
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	I'm not so sure the number in the magazine base is 2214.

11-24-2016, 04:56 PM	#18
escottc User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	@kurusu, Think you are right about that. Might be that the "4" is just scuff/scratch. Very hard to tell. Might just be 221. Scratches kind of look like an off set number. "4" or a "1". Thanks for helping me look at it more closely. I definitely need to look into getting a new glasses perspiration.

11-24-2016, 05:46 PM	#20
escottc User Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	@mrerick. Thank you for the direction. I'll find the PDF and take a look. Yes on the "1918". My bad. Sorry for the mistake. I got a touch of dyslexia, especially when it comes to numbers. Blowing my mind how many different models and such. A bit overwhelming for someone that is ignorant of Lugers. Your mention of the unusual mark is concerning to me. Just hope they weren't put together with replacement parts in the past. I definitely don't want to try and sell it only to find out they are faked in some way. If I were to sell these, what should I title each of them for listing? If that is too much to ask, with the information supplied, I understand. Again, I'll find that PDF you mentioned. Cheers, Scott