Thieves in Tulsa

Edward Tinker · 04-13-2015, 11:16 PM

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crime...035dda2bf.html

read all of it (more in the article)--

Three men were arrested Friday and Saturday during the Wanenmacher Tulsa Arms Show with the help of a new video surveillance system in the River Spirit Expo building, and the accused are longtime trusted gun dealers.
“The surprising thing, all three of these were dealers, they had (vendor) badges, and they had been coming to our show for several years,” said show founder Joe Wanenmacher. “These were not young guys, either. I’ll just say they were old enough to know better. This is wild!”
Arrested were show vendors Kenneth Lee Reynolds, 74, of Ottumwa, Iowa; George Reginald Adams, 78, of Wichita Falls, Texas; and Richard Eugene Futch, 68, of Seymore, Texas.

MikeP · 04-14-2015, 02:12 AM

String em up.

cirelaw · 04-14-2015, 09:34 AM

Like kids in a candy store! They should have been booked on stupidity~~Low Bail!! I guess a low flight risk! Eric

Arizona Slim · 04-14-2015, 10:01 AM

Can't help but wonder how many more stolen firearms could be recovered if the police are able to obtain and execute search warrents for their businesses and homes?

Lon

Curly1 · 04-14-2015, 12:22 PM

I wonder how many of their customers are in possession of stolen firearms

cirelaw · 04-14-2015, 12:51 PM

No one will admit it or take a chance it is!! I estimate a large amount are sold a purchased in the back isles and parking lots of local gunshows! Years ago I attended a local gunshow with our sherrif and long time friend. He had walked to his unmarked car and was approached with a gentleman with a full auto Uzi wanting $500. He told him he would run in and hit the teller machine. Minutes ATF swooped down and arrested the man. Parking lots are especially patroled both by local, state a feds! Stay legit!! Eric

John Sabato · 04-14-2015, 12:52 PM

I am with MikeP... get a rope! I hope they get LONG sentences... and the worst punishment? As convicted felons they can't legally own a firearm the rest of their lives. True justice.

cirelaw · 04-14-2015, 01:25 PM

Shows and pawn shops!! Legal and diversified! Long lost closet treasures are always turning up as grandchildren may have little interest! Eric

Diver6106 · 04-15-2015, 12:57 AM

I hope they check all guns that they have or can be traced to their sales and at least try to return them to their rightful owners. Too often the authorities pull them in as evidence, then destroy them rather than attempt to return them. It is easier and as far as police are concerned, removes a gun from the streets. ATF could also maintain a web site with lists of arms reported stolen, and anyone contemplating a purchase could check it, or even report it. A voluntary system could work, but a mandatory system would tend toward gun registration.

MikeP · 04-15-2015, 01:11 AM

In the 50s and even 60s, gun show parking lots were wondrous places.
Laws were laxer and nobody really cared.
Unbelievable some of the things I saw and even traded as a teenager.
Once traded a beat up BYF 41 for a nice 28 Thompson.
Things began to tighten up, but like anything else, one just didn't do totally stupid things. My oldest buddy got busted for something while I was in the Army.
He became a gun narc and finally a regular treasury agent.
I was approached about the job after I got out. They thought my SF background would be a good thing.
I pretty quickly told them where they could stick that job. I won't touch or get near "funny" gun anymore.

kzullick · 04-15-2015, 07:05 AM

One would think that at their age they would have made wiser choices.

Sergio Natali · 04-15-2015, 08:53 AM

Simply unbelievable!

Sergio

mrerick · 04-15-2015, 08:54 AM

Unfortunately, one of the things that pretty much characterizes many of the long time dealers at our gun shows is greed...

That vice can impact all ages of men and women.

rhuff · 04-15-2015, 03:47 PM

I agree with Marc 100%!! I am always amazed at how greed can affect people....even those that have no need for more. I guess to some folks, they can never have enough even if they had it all.

Arizona Slim · 04-15-2015, 04:17 PM

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rhuff:
I agree with Marc 100%!! I am always amazed at how greed can affect people....even those that have no need for more. I guess to some folks, they can never have enough even if they had it all.

Not sure who said this but I think it may have been J. Paul Getty that replied to the question duiring an interview as to how much money is enough, his answer was "Just a little bit more" What a shame, these three not only embarresed their familys but destroyed their reputations and all for "just a little bit more".

Lon

cirelaw · 04-15-2015, 04:40 PM

Its obsessive compulsive behavior. Win or lose doesn't always matter. Its the thrill no matter the outcome. My father an addicted gambler for life would bet on 2 palmetto bugs crawling on a hot sidewalk. Unlike my father, I alway protected what I earned! Now my obsession are lugers which are not self destructive. The point at bar was that they were in the twilight of their lives. The illness was always there! To them the consequeces are of no concern! Obsessive Compulsion behavior can appear in many ways ie hording, belimia and other eating disorders. It may sometimes be controlled but the roots of the compulsion will always be there! Its sometimes like a shaddow that can't out run.~~Eric

alanint · 04-15-2015, 05:06 PM

It was taking advantage of a sacred trust. Shows allow dealers in early. They have the run of the convention floor. Sometimes for hours before it is open to the public. We all know that it is impossible to 100% secure all your inventory when doing shows, so this abuse of the industry's trust is especially egregious.

04-13-2015, 11:16 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Thieves in Tulsa http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crime...035dda2bf.html read all of it (more in the article)-- Three men were arrested Friday and Saturday during the Wanenmacher Tulsa Arms Show with the help of a new video surveillance system in the River Spirit Expo building, and the accused are longtime trusted gun dealers. “The surprising thing, all three of these were dealers, they had (vendor) badges, and they had been coming to our show for several years,” said show founder Joe Wanenmacher. “These were not young guys, either. I’ll just say they were old enough to know better. This is wild!” Arrested were show vendors Kenneth Lee Reynolds, 74, of Ottumwa, Iowa; George Reginald Adams, 78, of Wichita Falls, Texas; and Richard Eugene Futch, 68, of Seymore, Texas.

04-14-2015, 12:22 PM	#5
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,244 Thanks: 125 Thanked 715 Times in 372 Posts	I wonder how many of their customers are in possession of stolen firearms __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

04-14-2015, 12:52 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I am with MikeP... get a rope! I hope they get LONG sentences... and the worst punishment? As convicted felons they can't legally own a firearm the rest of their lives. True justice. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-15-2015, 08:53 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Simply unbelievable! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Unfortunately, one of the things that pretty much characterizes many of the long time dealers at our gun shows is greed... That vice can impact all ages of men and women. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

04-14-2015, 02:12 AM	#2
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	String em up.

04-14-2015, 09:34 AM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Like kids in a candy store! They should have been booked on stupidity~~Low Bail!! I guess a low flight risk! Eric

04-14-2015, 10:01 AM	#4
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Can't help but wonder how many more stolen firearms could be recovered if the police are able to obtain and execute search warrents for their businesses and homes? Lon

04-14-2015, 12:51 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	No one will admit it or take a chance it is!! I estimate a large amount are sold a purchased in the back isles and parking lots of local gunshows! Years ago I attended a local gunshow with our sherrif and long time friend. He had walked to his unmarked car and was approached with a gentleman with a full auto Uzi wanting $500. He told him he would run in and hit the teller machine. Minutes ATF swooped down and arrested the man. Parking lots are especially patroled both by local, state a feds! Stay legit!! Eric

04-14-2015, 01:25 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Shows and pawn shops!! Legal and diversified! Long lost closet treasures are always turning up as grandchildren may have little interest! Eric

04-15-2015, 12:57 AM	#9
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 245 Thanks: 1,430 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	I hope they check all guns that they have or can be traced to their sales and at least try to return them to their rightful owners. Too often the authorities pull them in as evidence, then destroy them rather than attempt to return them. It is easier and as far as police are concerned, removes a gun from the streets. ATF could also maintain a web site with lists of arms reported stolen, and anyone contemplating a purchase could check it, or even report it. A voluntary system could work, but a mandatory system would tend toward gun registration.

04-15-2015, 01:11 AM	#10
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	In the 50s and even 60s, gun show parking lots were wondrous places. Laws were laxer and nobody really cared. Unbelievable some of the things I saw and even traded as a teenager. Once traded a beat up BYF 41 for a nice 28 Thompson. Things began to tighten up, but like anything else, one just didn't do totally stupid things. My oldest buddy got busted for something while I was in the Army. He became a gun narc and finally a regular treasury agent. I was approached about the job after I got out. They thought my SF background would be a good thing. I pretty quickly told them where they could stick that job. I won't touch or get near "funny" gun anymore.

04-15-2015, 07:05 AM	#11
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 236 Thanks: 681 Thanked 102 Times in 83 Posts	One would think that at their age they would have made wiser choices.

04-15-2015, 03:47 PM	#14
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,305 Thanks: 2,735 Thanked 991 Times in 727 Posts	I agree with Marc 100%!! I am always amazed at how greed can affect people....even those that have no need for more. I guess to some folks, they can never have enough even if they had it all.

04-15-2015, 04:17 PM	#15
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- rhuff: I agree with Marc 100%!! I am always amazed at how greed can affect people....even those that have no need for more. I guess to some folks, they can never have enough even if they had it all. Not sure who said this but I think it may have been J. Paul Getty that replied to the question duiring an interview as to how much money is enough, his answer was "Just a little bit more" What a shame, these three not only embarresed their familys but destroyed their reputations and all for "just a little bit more". Lon

04-15-2015, 04:40 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Its obsessive compulsive behavior. Win or lose doesn't always matter. Its the thrill no matter the outcome. My father an addicted gambler for life would bet on 2 palmetto bugs crawling on a hot sidewalk. Unlike my father, I alway protected what I earned! Now my obsession are lugers which are not self destructive. The point at bar was that they were in the twilight of their lives. The illness was always there! To them the consequeces are of no concern! Obsessive Compulsion behavior can appear in many ways ie hording, belimia and other eating disorders. It may sometimes be controlled but the roots of the compulsion will always be there! Its sometimes like a shaddow that can't out run.~~Eric

04-15-2015, 05:06 PM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	It was taking advantage of a sacred trust. Shows allow dealers in early. They have the run of the convention floor. Sometimes for hours before it is open to the public. We all know that it is impossible to 100% secure all your inventory when doing shows, so this abuse of the industry's trust is especially egregious.