New Member, New Luger, Info Needed

Sgtgeo · 05-30-2012, 10:26 PM

Hello Lugerforum Members,

I recently aquired a Luger that has been in my family since WW2.

It was allegedly brought back by my Grandfather who died when I was very young. My Grandmother kept it in the holster in a drawer for my whole life. My grandmother decided to give it to me now rather than when she passes.

Here are the pics and a scan of an interesting document that was kept with the gun all these years. All I have done is lightly oiled it.

Any information would be appreciated.

I apologize if i posted in the wrong category

I've tried to include all the markings etc.

Thanks in advance
Geoff

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2012, 11:06 PM

oh, now this is very interesting!

It is a 1939, Banner Police, the banner itself is uncommon that went into military or police service, but then there is a eagle 6 sideplate! I have seen a couple of Mauser guns with Simson (Eagle 6) parts, and this helps reinforce that Mauser was using older, stored parts for some guns!

I would be interested in this for vol IV of my bring back book series (appears that vol III will be a bit before publication...)

Ed

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2012, 11:08 PM

Oh, and the 'bring back paper' was okay, but it is not common to find it hand written and not typed for the European theater.

Ed

alanint · 05-31-2012, 12:33 AM

Also, please show a photo of the front of the holster as well as the bottom, (base) of both magazines. One of the magazines appears to have the Schmeisser Patent logo on it.

sheepherder · 05-31-2012, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I have seen a couple of Mauser guns with Simson (Eagle 6) parts, and this helps reinforce that Mauser was using older, stored parts for some guns!

The Banner toggle train & extractor appear to be 'plum', while the breechblock & receiver/barrel are 'black'...

Different alloys accept blue differently? Or do they age differently?

SteveM · 05-31-2012, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

The Banner toggle train & extractor appear to be 'plum', while the breechblock & receiver/barrel are 'black'...

Different alloys accept blue differently? Or do they age differently?

You see quite a few 1939's with the plum colored frames, parts, probably due to bluing salts temperature. Still see it every once in a while on CZ firearms producd today.

SteveM · 05-31-2012, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

oh, now this is very interesting!

It is a 1939, Banner Police, the banner itself is uncommon that went into military or police service, but then there is a eagle 6 sideplate! I have seen a couple of Mauser guns with Simson (Eagle 6) parts, and this helps reinforce that Mauser was using older, stored parts for some guns!Ed

I find it interesting since the Police acceptance is E/F. You could make up a small collection of 1939's just by collecting the Police acceptance. 4 different ones were used that year, E/C, E/F, E/K, E/L.

Top of the page of the link below has one pictured just 3 numbers off of the one pictured here. Also with E/6 parts.

The Banners are my favorites..

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...e-lugers/page3

SteveM

mrerick · 05-31-2012, 09:00 PM

I believe that the Plum color occurs because of different silicon content in the steel and/or different part temperature and salt bluing solution temperatures.

Wikipedia has an interesting Bluing Article that talks about "Pluming" or "Browning" which involves controlled "Red" rust as part of the process.

Other articles indicate that it does shift in color with age...

Marc

Hugo Borchardt · 05-31-2012, 09:38 PM

Welcome, Geoff! Outstanding complete Luger rig!!! Thanks for sharing! My advice is never sell it unless you have to, and leave it to someone who will care about it in your will (me).

Nomadr · 05-31-2012, 10:07 PM

Interesting that the papers refer to the pistol as to being "cal. 38"

bob

Sgtgeo · 05-31-2012, 10:53 PM

Thanks for all the info guys,

Ed I would love for this to be included in your future volume, Please send me more details.

alanint I've included more pics in the 1st post.

I would NEVER sell this. Unlike me my parents/grandparents have little interest in guns. This is the only firearm that will be passed to me.

Thanks again for all the info guys

DavidJayUden · 05-31-2012, 11:35 PM

I have seen the ".38" notation before on other bring back docs. I guess we weren't thinking metric yet...
dju

andwaahs · 06-01-2012, 02:11 PM

As some one who is waiting to find the right pistol to come along for my first Luger, I can only say I am very envious, what a great thing to be given.
I got my grandfathers campaign medals before he passed. He said I got them as he knew I would never part with them, meant a lot at 8 years of age. He told me he regreted not bringing any souveniers back to pass on, as a landing craft coxswain at Normandy I suppose he was a bit busy and a bit far from the one to one fighting.
Congratulations.

05-30-2012, 10:26 PM	#1
Sgtgeo New User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	New Member, New Luger, Info Needed Hello Lugerforum Members, I recently aquired a Luger that has been in my family since WW2. It was allegedly brought back by my Grandfather who died when I was very young. My Grandmother kept it in the holster in a drawer for my whole life. My grandmother decided to give it to me now rather than when she passes. Here are the pics and a scan of an interesting document that was kept with the gun all these years. All I have done is lightly oiled it. Any information would be appreciated. I apologize if i posted in the wrong category I've tried to include all the markings etc. Thanks in advance Geoff Last edited by Sgtgeo; 05-31-2012 at 10:48 PM.

05-30-2012, 11:06 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	oh, now this is very interesting! It is a 1939, Banner Police, the banner itself is uncommon that went into military or police service, but then there is a eagle 6 sideplate! I have seen a couple of Mauser guns with Simson (Eagle 6) parts, and this helps reinforce that Mauser was using older, stored parts for some guns! I would be interested in this for vol IV of my bring back book series (appears that vol III will be a bit before publication...) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-31-2012, 12:33 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Also, please show a photo of the front of the holster as well as the bottom, (base) of both magazines. One of the magazines appears to have the Schmeisser Patent logo on it. Last edited by alanint; 05-31-2012 at 11:38 AM.

05-31-2012, 09:00 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I believe that the Plum color occurs because of different silicon content in the steel and/or different part temperature and salt bluing solution temperatures. Wikipedia has an interesting Bluing Article that talks about "Pluming" or "Browning" which involves controlled "Red" rust as part of the process. Other articles indicate that it does shift in color with age... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-31-2012, 09:38 PM	#9
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 338 Thanked 131 Times in 47 Posts	Welcome, Geoff! Outstanding complete Luger rig!!! Thanks for sharing! My advice is never sell it unless you have to, and leave it to someone who will care about it in your will (me). __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

05-30-2012, 11:08 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Oh, and the 'bring back paper' was okay, but it is not common to find it hand written and not typed for the European theater. Ed

05-31-2012, 10:07 PM	#10
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Interesting that the papers refer to the pistol as to being "cal. 38" bob

05-31-2012, 10:53 PM	#11
Sgtgeo New User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Thanks for all the info guys, Ed I would love for this to be included in your future volume, Please send me more details. alanint I've included more pics in the 1st post. I would NEVER sell this. Unlike me my parents/grandparents have little interest in guns. This is the only firearm that will be passed to me. Thanks again for all the info guys

05-31-2012, 11:35 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I have seen the ".38" notation before on other bring back docs. I guess we weren't thinking metric yet... dju

06-01-2012, 02:11 PM	#13
andwaahs User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Norway Posts: 85 Thanks: 41 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	As some one who is waiting to find the right pistol to come along for my first Luger, I can only say I am very envious, what a great thing to be given. I got my grandfathers campaign medals before he passed. He said I got them as he knew I would never part with them, meant a lot at 8 years of age. He told me he regreted not bringing any souveniers back to pass on, as a landing craft coxswain at Normandy I suppose he was a bit busy and a bit far from the one to one fighting. Congratulations.