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Robert Wiggins · 02-03-2002, 02:24 PM

I have included a photo here of what I believe to be a 9 mm cleaning brush which was contained within a holster. note that the brush has a bronze portion in the middle between two fibre portions.

Can anyone identify if this brush was manufactured for cleaning a P08? If not, what was is used on?

Regards; to all

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02-03-2002, 02:31 PM

Looks like a standard K98k 7.9mm cleaning brush for use with the aluminum pull-through chain in the "tobacco can" cleaning kit.

Johnny Peppers · 02-03-2002, 02:38 PM

A brush like the one shown came in the K98k cleaning kit. There was a holder in the right hand side of the cleaning kit that contained the bore brush, and also a chamber brush. The bore brush is approximately 4.8 inches long, a diameter of approximately .45 on the plastic bristle, and a diameter of approximately .34 inches on the copper/bronze bristle in the middle. It also had the hook as shown for attachment to the beaded pull through.

Robert Wiggins · 02-03-2002, 04:58 PM

Johnny/Bill;

To be precise the length of the brush is 3 6/8" not including the hook.

Note the following measurements taken with my Lyman Calipers:

The diameter at the fibre bristles is 4.57 millimetres.

The diameter at the bronze bristles is 3.53 millimetres.

What say you now?

Regards;

02-03-2002, 05:11 PM

My Mauser brush from my K98k cleaning kit is the same length, 3 3/4 inches. The proportions look the same as in your photo. But using my not-too-accurate ruler, the diameters are about 12mm and 7mm. I think you need to re-check your diameter measurements. Also, my bronze bristles seem to be a bit more worn than yours.

02-03-2002, 05:24 PM

And I suspect that Johnny's length measurement should be 3.8 instead of 4.8 inches.

Johnny Peppers · 02-03-2002, 05:32 PM

Bill,

You are absolutely right. I know my caliper is correct so either I read it wrong or typed it wrong.

Robert Wiggins · 02-03-2002, 05:40 PM

Gentlemen;

I stand corrected. I picked up the wrong set of calipers and mistook it for MM instead of In. My readings should have been .457 inches and .353 inches. However, I rechecked the last reading since it didn't seem to agree with Johnny and confirmed that his reading is more accurate.

You have both solved my problem. It would seem that the cleaning brush found it's way into a P.08 holster. I won't speculate on how or why except to surmize that possibly it was all that was available at the time.

Thanks again for your comments.

Regards;

Robert Wiggins · 02-03-2002, 05:48 PM

Gentlemen;

I just had some memory recall!!!

I remember my father relating that he had brought back a German sniper rifle from WWII along with a luger (the P.08 and holster in question). He sold the sniper rifle back in the 50's when I was about 4 or 5 years old. He did keep the P.08 and so I can surmize that if the sniper rifle was in 7.9mm the brush may have come from it. I remember him saying that he had to sew two kit bags together to cover the muzzle of the rifle.

What do you think?

Regards;

02-03-2002, 05:54 PM

Well, if he had a K98k sniper rifle (or any 7.9mm rifle), that would be the correct cleaning brush for it. But still, a German soldier could use a 7.9mm brush as better than nothing if no 9mm brush or rod could be found.

MikeP · 02-03-2002, 09:35 PM

How many bristles? What angles are they to the body? How are they atached? Any DNA present? Are the bristles synthetic, animal or mineral? Sheesh.....

Robert Wiggins · 02-03-2002, 09:43 PM

Well, It's like this. Some of us just like to know as much about what we have as we can possibly find out, and other just don't care to know. What ever suits you is fine by me. I'm just enjoying my hobby and will likely continue to do so.

Have a good day!

Regards;

02-03-2002, 10:41 PM

"he had to sew two kit bags together to cover the muzzle of the rifle." [previous posting]

This comment alludes to the fact that long arms were not allowed to be brought back unless they could fit in the GI's duffle bag. I have never heard of bags being extended, but many of the rifles have what is called a 'duffle bag cut'...ie, the wood is cut under the top sling and the barreled action is removed from the wood...that way, both could be put into the bag without a problem. I have repaired many of them...

The Shadow Knows!

Robert Wiggins · 02-04-2002, 09:46 AM

You raise an interesting point. My father was with the 5th Canadian Armoured Division. I don't know how Gi and Canadian duffle bags compare with regards to size. I do know that he told me he joined two together. He never indicated whether he dismantled stock from rifle or not, so I can only surmize that the stock was left attached. He did say that there was a standing order that all weapons were to be handed in and that prosecution would prevail if not.

He did relate to me that with all the marching he had to do that he often wanted to just leave it behind because of the added weight.

Regards;

02-03-2002, 02:24 PM	#1
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cleaning brush identification ? I have included a photo here of what I believe to be a 9 mm cleaning brush which was contained within a holster. note that the brush has a bronze portion in the middle between two fibre portions. Can anyone identify if this brush was manufactured for cleaning a P08? If not, what was is used on? Regards; to all http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/9mmcleaningbrush.JPG

02-03-2002, 02:31 PM	#2
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Looks like a standard K98k 7.9mm cleaning brush for use with the aluminum pull-through chain in the "tobacco can" cleaning kit.

02-03-2002, 02:38 PM	#3
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: cleaning brush identification ? A brush like the one shown came in the K98k cleaning kit. There was a holder in the right hand side of the cleaning kit that contained the bore brush, and also a chamber brush. The bore brush is approximately 4.8 inches long, a diameter of approximately .45 on the plastic bristle, and a diameter of approximately .34 inches on the copper/bronze bristle in the middle. It also had the hook as shown for attachment to the beaded pull through.

02-03-2002, 04:58 PM	#4
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Johnny/Bill; To be precise the length of the brush is 3 6/8" not including the hook. Note the following measurements taken with my Lyman Calipers: The diameter at the fibre bristles is 4.57 millimetres. The diameter at the bronze bristles is 3.53 millimetres. What say you now? Regards;

02-03-2002, 05:11 PM	#5
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: cleaning brush identification ? My Mauser brush from my K98k cleaning kit is the same length, 3 3/4 inches. The proportions look the same as in your photo. But using my not-too-accurate ruler, the diameters are about 12mm and 7mm. I think you need to re-check your diameter measurements. Also, my bronze bristles seem to be a bit more worn than yours.

02-03-2002, 05:24 PM	#6
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: cleaning brush identification ? And I suspect that Johnny's length measurement should be 3.8 instead of 4.8 inches.

02-03-2002, 05:32 PM	#7
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Bill, You are absolutely right. I know my caliper is correct so either I read it wrong or typed it wrong.

02-03-2002, 05:40 PM	#8
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Gentlemen; I stand corrected. I picked up the wrong set of calipers and mistook it for MM instead of In. My readings should have been .457 inches and .353 inches. However, I rechecked the last reading since it didn't seem to agree with Johnny and confirmed that his reading is more accurate. You have both solved my problem. It would seem that the cleaning brush found it's way into a P.08 holster. I won't speculate on how or why except to surmize that possibly it was all that was available at the time. Thanks again for your comments. Regards;

02-03-2002, 05:48 PM	#9
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Gentlemen; I just had some memory recall!!! I remember my father relating that he had brought back a German sniper rifle from WWII along with a luger (the P.08 and holster in question). He sold the sniper rifle back in the 50's when I was about 4 or 5 years old. He did keep the P.08 and so I can surmize that if the sniper rifle was in 7.9mm the brush may have come from it. I remember him saying that he had to sew two kit bags together to cover the muzzle of the rifle. What do you think? Regards;

02-03-2002, 05:54 PM	#10
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Well, if he had a K98k sniper rifle (or any 7.9mm rifle), that would be the correct cleaning brush for it. But still, a German soldier could use a 7.9mm brush as better than nothing if no 9mm brush or rod could be found.

02-03-2002, 09:35 PM	#11
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Re: cleaning brush identification ? How many bristles? What angles are they to the body? How are they atached? Any DNA present? Are the bristles synthetic, animal or mineral? Sheesh.....

02-03-2002, 09:43 PM	#12
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cleaning brush identification ? Well, It's like this. Some of us just like to know as much about what we have as we can possibly find out, and other just don't care to know. What ever suits you is fine by me. I'm just enjoying my hobby and will likely continue to do so. Have a good day! Regards;

02-03-2002, 10:41 PM	#13
The Shadow Guest Posts: n/a	length "he had to sew two kit bags together to cover the muzzle of the rifle." [previous posting] This comment alludes to the fact that long arms were not allowed to be brought back unless they could fit in the GI's duffle bag. I have never heard of bags being extended, but many of the rifles have what is called a 'duffle bag cut'...ie, the wood is cut under the top sling and the barreled action is removed from the wood...that way, both could be put into the bag without a problem. I have repaired many of them... The Shadow Knows!

02-04-2002, 09:46 AM	#14
Robert Wiggins User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 142 Thanks: 16 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: length You raise an interesting point. My father was with the 5th Canadian Armoured Division. I don't know how Gi and Canadian duffle bags compare with regards to size. I do know that he told me he joined two together. He never indicated whether he dismantled stock from rifle or not, so I can only surmize that the stock was left attached. He did say that there was a standing order that all weapons were to be handed in and that prosecution would prevail if not. He did relate to me that with all the marching he had to do that he often wanted to just leave it behind because of the added weight. Regards;