Rare Colt Woodsman shoulder stock

saab-bob · 03-31-2010, 06:00 PM

Hello
Just thought I would post a couple of pics of a very rare Colt Woodsman shoulder stock and holster I recently acquired.

I enjoy shooting the pre-war Colt Woodsmans. The grip angle reminds of a luger. It is said that John Browning was influenced by the luger when he designed the Woodsman.

The stock was made in the 1920's and was manufactured in Ventura CA. Ventura is where I grew up( my wife would dispute the grown up part )

It would be fun to research the company and it products.

My early Colt .22 Target pre-Woodsman fits perfectly and it is BATF legal!

Bob

Ice · 03-31-2010, 06:08 PM

I've always loved legally shoulder stocked pistols. Can you show details of the stock attachment?

Thanks

Charlie

alamar · 03-31-2010, 06:59 PM

This was discussed in another forum that I belong to a couple of months ago.

I have summarized soem of the discussion points:

Shortly after the Colt Woodsman had reached the apex of its popularity in the mid-1920, a small holster making outfit out of California offered up a unique, well-made steel and leather holster which could quickly be slipped off the wearer's belt and attached solidly to the butt of the Colt it was carrying moments earlier.

The owner now had what was effectively a short barreled carbine. Once the shooter was done, they slipped the gun out of its stock, hooked the big steel loop on the back over their belt, and holstered the Colt.

The logo shows N-S, for Neal Schaefer of Ventura, California, and says it was patented 1925.

..metal holder around the butt is a strong clamp and tightly fitted so there's no movement of the gun inside it. Yes, it's specifically for the first generation. I tried it on all my various single shot pistols and the only one it fit was the Fiala. Here's pic of a Fiala wearing it.

Was this off of GB, 153292357?

saab-bob · 03-31-2010, 07:58 PM

I wonder how many of these stocks are still around?

The gentleman I got mine from found it in a box from a storage locker repo sale in the Bay Area of CA

Bob

Lugerdoc · 04-01-2010, 11:15 AM

Bob et al, I also have one that is like new, available for sale @$750 + $15 insured priority S&H. I find that the Mod B High Standard also fits. TH

Aaron · 04-01-2010, 11:50 AM

Would it be legal to use on a Model B?

saab-bob · 04-01-2010, 02:55 PM

Tom
Thats a great deal on that Woodsman stock.
The last 2 that sold on Gunbroker went for quite a bit more!
Bob

c3006 · 04-06-2010, 07:13 AM

Had a guy offer me one of these at a gunshow couple months back for $100 but I had never seen one and was unsure of its worth. Doh.

jl7422 · 04-07-2010, 03:51 PM

Congratualtion Bob, nice piece!

I've become a fan of stocked pistols in the past few years, and have been trying to buy one of these holsters, off and on, for awhile now. So far, I always seem to be outbid.

I did stumble actross the "other" rare Woodsman stock, the Monarch Arms "Rifle-ette" aluminum stock from the 1920's at the Ventura Gun Show a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the matching cast-metal grips required to mount the stock were missing, and I suspect I'll spend the rest of my life looking for a pair. . .

If anybody has a lead on a pair of cast-metal grips for a Woodsman, I'd sure be interested!

thanks,
John

Michael Zeleny · 04-08-2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saab-bob

My early Colt .22 Target pre-Woodsman fits perfectly and it is BATF legal!

It's also a banned assault weapon in California under P.C. 12276.1(a)3

.

jl7422 · 04-08-2010, 03:37 PM

Hello Michael,

Help me understand how a Woodaman so configured is in violation of P.C. 12276.1(a)3.

It is (obviously) not banned by model, and I cannot find applicable "generic characteristics" prohibitions under rifle or pistol.

regards,
John

Michael Zeleny · 04-08-2010, 03:47 PM

My mistake, it's not "A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches."

saab-bob · 04-11-2010, 01:12 PM

Thanks John

Your Colt Woodsman Monarch Arms Rifle-ette shoulder stock is a REALLY rare item.

I go to the Ventura Gun Show all the time and never found anything as rare as that!

You might be able to find the correct grips.Very few people would have any idea what a set of those grips where for.
Here is a pic from Bob Rayburns collection of your stock mounted on a gun.

Bob

03-31-2010, 06:00 PM	#1
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Rare Colt Woodsman shoulder stock Hello Just thought I would post a couple of pics of a very rare Colt Woodsman shoulder stock and holster I recently acquired. I enjoy shooting the pre-war Colt Woodsmans. The grip angle reminds of a luger. It is said that John Browning was influenced by the luger when he designed the Woodsman. The stock was made in the 1920's and was manufactured in Ventura CA. Ventura is where I grew up( my wife would dispute the grown up part ) It would be fun to research the company and it products. My early Colt .22 Target pre-Woodsman fits perfectly and it is BATF legal! Bob Attached Thumbnails __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

03-31-2010, 06:59 PM	#3
alamar User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 79 Thanks: 7 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	This was discussed in another forum that I belong to a couple of months ago. I have summarized soem of the discussion points: Shortly after the Colt Woodsman had reached the apex of its popularity in the mid-1920, a small holster making outfit out of California offered up a unique, well-made steel and leather holster which could quickly be slipped off the wearer's belt and attached solidly to the butt of the Colt it was carrying moments earlier. The owner now had what was effectively a short barreled carbine. Once the shooter was done, they slipped the gun out of its stock, hooked the big steel loop on the back over their belt, and holstered the Colt. The logo shows N-S, for Neal Schaefer of Ventura, California, and says it was patented 1925. ..metal holder around the butt is a strong clamp and tightly fitted so there's no movement of the gun inside it. Yes, it's specifically for the first generation. I tried it on all my various single shot pistols and the only one it fit was the Fiala. Here's pic of a Fiala wearing it. Was this off of GB, 153292357? Attached Thumbnails

03-31-2010, 07:58 PM	#4
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	I wonder how many of these stocks are still around? The gentleman I got mine from found it in a box from a storage locker repo sale in the Bay Area of CA Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

04-01-2010, 11:15 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Bob et al, I also have one that is like new, available for sale @$750 + $15 insured priority S&H. I find that the Mod B High Standard also fits. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

04-01-2010, 02:55 PM	#7
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Tom Thats a great deal on that Woodsman stock. The last 2 that sold on Gunbroker went for quite a bit more! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

03-31-2010, 06:08 PM	#2
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	I've always loved legally shoulder stocked pistols. Can you show details of the stock attachment? Thanks Charlie

04-01-2010, 11:50 AM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Would it be legal to use on a Model B?

04-06-2010, 07:13 AM	#8
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Had a guy offer me one of these at a gunshow couple months back for $100 but I had never seen one and was unsure of its worth. Doh. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

04-07-2010, 03:51 PM	#9
jl7422 User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Congratualtion Bob, nice piece! I've become a fan of stocked pistols in the past few years, and have been trying to buy one of these holsters, off and on, for awhile now. So far, I always seem to be outbid. I did stumble actross the "other" rare Woodsman stock, the Monarch Arms "Rifle-ette" aluminum stock from the 1920's at the Ventura Gun Show a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the matching cast-metal grips required to mount the stock were missing, and I suspect I'll spend the rest of my life looking for a pair. . . If anybody has a lead on a pair of cast-metal grips for a Woodsman, I'd sure be interested! thanks, John

04-08-2010, 03:37 PM	#11
jl7422 User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: West Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Hello Michael, Help me understand how a Woodaman so configured is in violation of P.C. 12276.1(a)3. It is (obviously) not banned by model, and I cannot find applicable "generic characteristics" prohibitions under rifle or pistol. regards, John

04-08-2010, 03:47 PM	#12
Michael Zeleny Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 525 Thanks: 129 Thanked 139 Times in 76 Posts	My mistake, it's not "A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches." __________________ Michael Zeleny@post.harvard.edu -- http://larvatus.livejournal.com/ -- 7576 Willow Glen Road, Los Angeles, CA 90046 -- 323.363.1860 All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. -- Samuel Beckett

04-11-2010, 01:12 PM	#13
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Thanks John Your Colt Woodsman Monarch Arms Rifle-ette shoulder stock is a REALLY rare item. I go to the Ventura Gun Show all the time and never found anything as rare as that! You might be able to find the correct grips.Very few people would have any idea what a set of those grips where for. Here is a pic from Bob Rayburns collection of your stock mounted on a gun. Bob Attached Thumbnails __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"