There are still buys out there...

wlyon · 03-29-2010, 04:23 PM

1939 S/42 Serial #9252 O, rather difficult to find. Local gunshow - with 2 correct non-matching mags and WWI holster. All matching, including grips. Mags non-matching, one with correct suffix, 412 numbers off. Most wear is holster wear on left front of barrel and rib of side plate. Excellent bore. Paid $825.

alvin · 03-29-2010, 04:26 PM

?????? !!!!!!

The market has tanked to 3 digits???

I noticed some people are willing to sell guns under value. One guy even persuaded me to do the same because he had done that (of course, I decided not following his leadership).

wlyon · 03-29-2010, 04:55 PM

Alvin
No I do not think the market has changed all that much on collectible firearms. This was a case of a person selling who did not have any luger knowledge and only wanted to get back what he had allowed on a guntrade. He was happy and so was I! Most of the good lugers I see are still pricey. Bill

DavidJayUden · 03-29-2010, 05:01 PM

Hey Bill, give you $850...
dju

alvin · 03-29-2010, 05:04 PM

Thanks Bill. I think I got it.

This must be grandson selling grandpa's property, no matter how cheap it was sold, the grandson never feels painful. It came to him too easy.

FNorm · 03-29-2010, 06:18 PM

GREAT catch, Bill!

FN

Ron Smith · 03-29-2010, 07:13 PM

Hey Bill,

That's a great deal. Beautiful ! Congratulations!

Ron

Frank · 03-29-2010, 07:43 PM

Nice going Bill!! Tough to find 1939 S/42 Lugers!!

Congrats.

EricW · 03-30-2010, 05:54 AM

Congrats Bill!

Just curious, in the first photo, is that a halo around the S/42 on the toggle?

John Sabato · 03-30-2010, 08:47 AM

I'm with Alvin on this... They may end up being bargains to us, but I believe that as the WW2 vets pass from our midst, we are going to see more and more war trophy Lugers that have been taken out of GrandDad's closet where they have been sacredly hiding for 65 years and be sold for whatever they can get quickly...

It saddens my heart to see how little these pieces of a grandfather's history are cared about by the current generation of kids...

Curly1 · 03-30-2010, 08:49 AM

Yes that was a sweet deal.

wlyon · 03-30-2010, 09:22 AM

Eric
Yes the S/42 has a halo affect around it. Maybe our Mauser experts can explain this but it's not uncommon. At least I have seen it before. A couple Mausers in Jan Still's Third Reich book show this. Bill

JTD · 03-30-2010, 10:30 AM

Bill, you did well, congrats on one that has eluded me so far.
I don't claim to be an expert, but the halo is caused by the stamp work hardening the metal around it and causing it to take the blue process a little differently if I remember correctly, or Ishould say at all? What were we talking about?

JTD · 03-30-2010, 10:40 AM

OH yea, lugers! I wouldn't be suprised if the original owner got it for a couple of packs of Lucky Strike. I'll go to $

900.
John

NDEBT · 03-31-2010, 05:28 PM

My 1938 has that halo also. Hard to see in this crappy pic that was taken when I first got it and before I cleaned it up. And yes there are deals out there. I got mine all matching #'s (except magazine) and original holster for an old outboard motor I had about $300.00 invested in.

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alvin · 03-31-2010, 06:35 PM

It's a myth on the discoloration around S/42. It's not halo.

S/42 was applied before the steel surface was brushed and blued -- the area is smooth, no steel distoration in the area and no ridge on the stamp edge. But we do see many S/42 come with discolored neighborhood. Why?

One guesstimation was quality related -- the toggle was not cleaned throughly after brushing and some debris with oil stucking in S/42 stamp, so caused this discoloration around it after bluing.

Of course, no proof.

[Edit] Ironically, it's is imperfection that's hard to be replicated by boosters.

suum cuique · 03-31-2010, 08:43 PM

Bill, very nice catch! Nice Luger!

lugerholsterrepair · 03-31-2010, 09:10 PM

Bill, Congratulations! Where's the holster?

Jerry Burney

wlyon · 03-31-2010, 11:13 PM

Jerry
The holster that came with this is not very good. Not bad leather but missing the lid. At least there was a correct spare mag in it. The owner was going to look for the top which he once had. Doubt if that will happen. Bill

caflashbob · 04-01-2010, 12:29 AM

Traded a guy for a bringback 41 byf in 90% condition he brought back in 1945 for a chiefs special 38 caliber model 19 in 1989 straight across. Miss the 38'as it was so compact. The lugar is a heirloom quality mechanical device. Like my h&k 911 and my delta elite gold cup ss 10mm. The lugar is easily the most natural shooter I own and begineers shoot it really well. Nice 39'. Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.

03-29-2010, 04:23 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	There are still buys out there... 1939 S/42 Serial #9252 O, rather difficult to find. Local gunshow - with 2 correct non-matching mags and WWI holster. All matching, including grips. Mags non-matching, one with correct suffix, 412 numbers off. Most wear is holster wear on left front of barrel and rib of side plate. Excellent bore. Paid $825. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Lyon

03-29-2010, 04:55 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Alvin No I do not think the market has changed all that much on collectible firearms. This was a case of a person selling who did not have any luger knowledge and only wanted to get back what he had allowed on a guntrade. He was happy and so was I! Most of the good lugers I see are still pricey. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-29-2010, 07:13 PM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hey Bill, That's a great deal. Beautiful ! Congratulations! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-30-2010, 08:47 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I'm with Alvin on this... They may end up being bargains to us, but I believe that as the WW2 vets pass from our midst, we are going to see more and more war trophy Lugers that have been taken out of GrandDad's closet where they have been sacredly hiding for 65 years and be sold for whatever they can get quickly... It saddens my heart to see how little these pieces of a grandfather's history are cared about by the current generation of kids... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-30-2010, 08:49 AM	#11
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,244 Thanks: 125 Thanked 715 Times in 372 Posts	Yes that was a sweet deal. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

03-29-2010, 04:26 PM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	?????? !!!!!! The market has tanked to 3 digits??? I noticed some people are willing to sell guns under value. One guy even persuaded me to do the same because he had done that (of course, I decided not following his leadership).

03-29-2010, 05:01 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Hey Bill, give you $850... dju

03-29-2010, 05:04 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Thanks Bill. I think I got it. This must be grandson selling grandpa's property, no matter how cheap it was sold, the grandson never feels painful. It came to him too easy.

03-29-2010, 06:18 PM	#6
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	GREAT catch, Bill! FN

03-29-2010, 07:43 PM	#8
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Nice going Bill!! Tough to find 1939 S/42 Lugers!! Congrats.

03-30-2010, 05:54 AM	#9
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Congrats Bill! Just curious, in the first photo, is that a halo around the S/42 on the toggle? __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

03-30-2010, 09:22 AM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Eric Yes the S/42 has a halo affect around it. Maybe our Mauser experts can explain this but it's not uncommon. At least I have seen it before. A couple Mausers in Jan Still's Third Reich book show this. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-30-2010, 10:30 AM	#13
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Bill, you did well, congrats on one that has eluded me so far. I don't claim to be an expert, but the halo is caused by the stamp work hardening the metal around it and causing it to take the blue process a little differently if I remember correctly, or Ishould say at all? What were we talking about?

03-30-2010, 10:40 AM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	OH yea, lugers! I wouldn't be suprised if the original owner got it for a couple of packs of Lucky Strike. I'll go to $900. John

03-31-2010, 05:28 PM	#15
NDEBT New User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	My 1938 has that halo also. Hard to see in this crappy pic that was taken when I first got it and before I cleaned it up. And yes there are deals out there. I got mine all matching #'s (except magazine) and original holster for an old outboard motor I had about $300.00 invested in. [[IMG][/IMG]

03-31-2010, 06:35 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's a myth on the discoloration around S/42. It's not halo. S/42 was applied before the steel surface was brushed and blued -- the area is smooth, no steel distoration in the area and no ridge on the stamp edge. But we do see many S/42 come with discolored neighborhood. Why? One guesstimation was quality related -- the toggle was not cleaned throughly after brushing and some debris with oil stucking in S/42 stamp, so caused this discoloration around it after bluing. Of course, no proof. [Edit] Ironically, it's is imperfection that's hard to be replicated by boosters. Last edited by alvin; 04-01-2010 at 06:59 AM.

03-31-2010, 08:43 PM	#17
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Congratulation Bill, very nice catch! Nice Luger! __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Bill, Congratulations! Where's the holster? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-31-2010, 11:13 PM	#19
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Jerry The holster that came with this is not very good. Not bad leather but missing the lid. At least there was a correct spare mag in it. The owner was going to look for the top which he once had. Doubt if that will happen. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

04-01-2010, 12:29 AM	#20
caflashbob User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Trading Traded a guy for a bringback 41 byf in 90% condition he brought back in 1945 for a chiefs special 38 caliber model 19 in 1989 straight across. Miss the 38'as it was so compact. The lugar is a heirloom quality mechanical device. Like my h&k 911 and my delta elite gold cup ss 10mm. The lugar is easily the most natural shooter I own and begineers shoot it really well. Nice 39'. Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.