Worst German bayonet copy I've ever seen

suum cuique · 03-06-2010, 10:17 PM

Not even the word "Germany" is spelled out right, LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/MILITARY-GERMAN-...item4cee06b99d

tomaustin · 03-06-2010, 11:17 PM

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alvin · 03-06-2010, 11:59 PM

The market for low quality + low cost stuff is big. I heard people complaining low quality products in the past, but that's from consumer's view. For producer, the highest priority is to drive the cost down. Unit profit of course cannot compare with better products, but if the market demand is big enough, low quality + low cost product is still very profitable. Probably more profitable than higher priced ones.

Don M · 03-07-2010, 12:03 AM

He doesn't seem to know what he's got --- a bayonet, dagger or sword. He sure didn't skimp on the photos, though.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-07-2010, 12:09 AM

Low cost my foot! $58.00 shipping!

Ya gotta love the Phillups head screws!

And you cannot mistake that it's a Germran bayonet, says so right where the maker mark is supposed to be.

Fine Chinese craftsmanship.

Jerry Burney

suum cuique · 03-07-2010, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Low cost my foot! $58.00 shipping!

Ya gotta love the Phillups head screws!

And you cannot mistake that it's a German bayonet, says so right where the maker mark is supposed to be.

Fine Chinese craftsmanship.

Jerry Burney

Can't wait to testdrive a fine chinese sportscar

Thank God they do not try to copy a luger.

rolandtg · 03-07-2010, 01:43 AM

I'll bet it works just as good as the real thing.

Rbrooks45 · 03-07-2010, 02:06 AM

If you think that was bad look at some of his other auctions.

Vlim · 03-07-2010, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Thank God they do not try to copy a luger.

They did..... Norinco made a prototype P08 in the 1990s....

alvin · 03-07-2010, 09:44 AM

It's a must have for Luger collectors. Only a few prototypes or dealer samples were made, as rare as the .45 Million $$ Luger.

Indeed, this Luger looks not bad. Have close-up pix?

Ron Smith · 03-07-2010, 11:40 AM

WHAT?! You guys never seen a 'GEMRAN' Bajonett B-4 ???

George Anderson · 03-07-2010, 03:26 PM

Ya gotta love the chinaman, you can plop him down in any corner of the Earth and within a year he will be doing well for himself. Within a generation his heirs will be thriving. It makes no matter where or what system of government. I've worked with "off-shore chinese" from Singapore to Jamaica to South America to South Africa to Charlotte North Carolina, the best business people in the world. If a buck can be made they'll figure out how to do it and play by the rules no matter whose rules they are.

Curly1 · 03-07-2010, 06:34 PM

I think the Chiness will end up beating us into submission with the dollor not with armies.

Norme · 03-07-2010, 06:43 PM

I'm old enough to remember when, back in the fifties, Japanese quality was a joke. Well, it's no joke now, Toyota's recent problems notwithstanding. Regards

alvin · 03-07-2010, 08:22 PM

Back a while ago, I joined a dinner with a friend in China. Many people around a table including a few local officials, businessmen, and also a few pretty ladies. Really no business there, but I had nothing to do at night so my friend dragged me there. There was a man who would invest into local mineral field. Obviously, he made money (after the dinner, my friend told me that). On dinner alcohol drinking and chatting, he said that hiring a worker in Western Europe cost 10,000 Euros a month (? never been to Europe, but that's what he said), hiring a worker doing similar job in Canton monthly compensation was 800 RMB (rougly $120 USD).... and "what running here is raw capitalism, a good chance to make money" (his words). I listened to him, all occupied my mind at that moment was .... how to start bare hands, how to setup connections, how to become a man like this guy.... none has been accomplished though.

Death-Ace · 03-07-2010, 08:24 PM

Norinco stands out as the ONLY good things I've seen come out of China. People, awesome. Things, bad!

But do y'all notice the feedback of these guys?! The poor souls ...

Jason L · 03-07-2010, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Death-Ace

Norinco stands out as the ONLY good things (

Amen, I will grab my Norinco AK if the S hits the fan. It will digest anything and has NEVER jammed. Can't say the same for my AR15's.

alvin · 03-08-2010, 06:23 AM

Low quality is a strategy. I would believe lots of things are not high-tech and to achieve much better quality is easy if increasing cost is acceptable. But sell to whom? When it's a strategy, you can expect the quality would not improve any time soon.

At the end of last year, I replaced the handle on my toilet water tank. Home Depot had a few choices, and I picked up the cheapest $4.75 one. The handle had silver color tone, sealed in a plastic package. It turned out the cost of making that handle might be lower than the throwed away plastic wrapper.... used only two months, it's broken -- a tiny metal chip falled out when I tried to figure out what's going on.

So replaced again. If I am forced to pay $4.75 every three months on this, each year's cost on this thing would be $19, and times number of buyers of this thing.... probably millions. I bet the cost of making this was not higher than $1.

====

And, well off topic.... to balance the trading deficit, USD vs RMB exchange ratio has to be set around 1:3. At current 1:6.7 ratio, money has to flow out, no choice. That's based on white collar worker's average compensation.

conehammer · 03-08-2010, 08:44 PM

This like anything else; as long as there is a market for this stuff it will continue to be made.
I have several Norinco offerings and like the man said they don't jam. However they are not the only thing good coming out of China.

You recall my off topic thread on armor models some while back? Well China has been on the RC armor bandwagon for some while now. I won't go into all the products coming out of there but one company, Hooben, promises some of the most exciting 1/16 scale model offerings to see daylight in many years. T-55 and of all things the Porsche Elefant, A Maus and even E-100; this last never getting past the drawing board and chassis before the war ended. If they get their debut act together and the previews of their quality are true they will make quite a splash in the model armor sector.

Further since I could never really afford a Hardinge or great condition Bridgeport I've followed
Taiwanese and later Chinese hobby /light industrial grade tool quality change from atrocious
junk to amazing. When I first saw and used Taiwanese equipment in the early 1970s it was largely terrible. Then quality ( and price) improved. Same has been true of Chinese euipment. I bought a set of 2 and 4 flute standard endmills in the early 1990s. Wouldn't hold their sharpness if you cut anything serious. I bought a set ( very close in price) a couple of years ago; every bit as good as the Japanese and American tools I save for critical work. I've seen the accuracy of Chinese metal lathes friends have purchased and they are world class.

As the world turns....

Jerry

alvin · 03-12-2010, 11:18 PM

Chatted with a friend this afternoon, very off topic, but since we've already very off-topic .....

He mentioned that he talked to a truck driver a few days ago, and the driver complainted life being tough these days and every year being struggling. The driver's job, of course, was moving things around, so he still had a job. What interesting was what he moves around -- "U.S. is exporting raw material, and importing finished products" (driver's words).

Selling raw material, buying finished products. That's today's mainstream trading model. The driver saw a problem,,,,,, a typical model in the past associated with Africa. Of course, he had no solution. That's Obama's job.

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Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	He doesn't seem to know what he's got --- a bayonet, dagger or sword. He sure didn't skimp on the photos, though. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

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03-06-2010, 11:59 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The market for low quality + low cost stuff is big. I heard people complaining low quality products in the past, but that's from consumer's view. For producer, the highest priority is to drive the cost down. Unit profit of course cannot compare with better products, but if the market demand is big enough, low quality + low cost product is still very profitable. Probably more profitable than higher priced ones.

03-07-2010, 01:43 AM	#7
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 479 Thanks: 388 Thanked 265 Times in 114 Posts	I'll bet it works just as good as the real thing.

03-07-2010, 02:06 AM	#8
Rbrooks45 User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you think that was bad look at some of his other auctions.

03-07-2010, 09:44 AM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's a must have for Luger collectors. Only a few prototypes or dealer samples were made, as rare as the .45 Million $$ Luger. Indeed, this Luger looks not bad. Have close-up pix?

03-07-2010, 03:26 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Ya gotta love the chinaman, you can plop him down in any corner of the Earth and within a year he will be doing well for himself. Within a generation his heirs will be thriving. It makes no matter where or what system of government. I've worked with "off-shore chinese" from Singapore to Jamaica to South America to South Africa to Charlotte North Carolina, the best business people in the world. If a buck can be made they'll figure out how to do it and play by the rules no matter whose rules they are.

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Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,244 Thanks: 125 Thanked 715 Times in 372 Posts	I think the Chiness will end up beating us into submission with the dollor not with armies. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

03-07-2010, 06:43 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	I'm old enough to remember when, back in the fifties, Japanese quality was a joke. Well, it's no joke now, Toyota's recent problems notwithstanding. Regards

03-07-2010, 08:22 PM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Back a while ago, I joined a dinner with a friend in China. Many people around a table including a few local officials, businessmen, and also a few pretty ladies. Really no business there, but I had nothing to do at night so my friend dragged me there. There was a man who would invest into local mineral field. Obviously, he made money (after the dinner, my friend told me that). On dinner alcohol drinking and chatting, he said that hiring a worker in Western Europe cost 10,000 Euros a month (? never been to Europe, but that's what he said), hiring a worker doing similar job in Canton monthly compensation was 800 RMB (rougly $120 USD).... and "what running here is raw capitalism, a good chance to make money" (his words). I listened to him, all occupied my mind at that moment was .... how to start bare hands, how to setup connections, how to become a man like this guy.... none has been accomplished though.

03-07-2010, 08:24 PM	#16
Death-Ace User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Norinco stands out as the ONLY good things I've seen come out of China. People, awesome. Things, bad! But do y'all notice the feedback of these guys?! The poor souls ...

03-08-2010, 06:23 AM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Low quality is a strategy. I would believe lots of things are not high-tech and to achieve much better quality is easy if increasing cost is acceptable. But sell to whom? When it's a strategy, you can expect the quality would not improve any time soon. At the end of last year, I replaced the handle on my toilet water tank. Home Depot had a few choices, and I picked up the cheapest $4.75 one. The handle had silver color tone, sealed in a plastic package. It turned out the cost of making that handle might be lower than the throwed away plastic wrapper.... used only two months, it's broken -- a tiny metal chip falled out when I tried to figure out what's going on. So replaced again. If I am forced to pay $4.75 every three months on this, each year's cost on this thing would be $19, and times number of buyers of this thing.... probably millions. I bet the cost of making this was not higher than $1. ==== And, well off topic.... to balance the trading deficit, USD vs RMB exchange ratio has to be set around 1:3. At current 1:6.7 ratio, money has to flow out, no choice. That's based on white collar worker's average compensation.

03-08-2010, 08:44 PM	#19
conehammer User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 116 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 21 Posts	This like anything else; as long as there is a market for this stuff it will continue to be made. I have several Norinco offerings and like the man said they don't jam. However they are not the only thing good coming out of China. You recall my off topic thread on armor models some while back? Well China has been on the RC armor bandwagon for some while now. I won't go into all the products coming out of there but one company, Hooben, promises some of the most exciting 1/16 scale model offerings to see daylight in many years. T-55 and of all things the Porsche Elefant, A Maus and even E-100; this last never getting past the drawing board and chassis before the war ended. If they get their debut act together and the previews of their quality are true they will make quite a splash in the model armor sector. Further since I could never really afford a Hardinge or great condition Bridgeport I've followed Taiwanese and later Chinese hobby /light industrial grade tool quality change from atrocious junk to amazing. When I first saw and used Taiwanese equipment in the early 1970s it was largely terrible. Then quality ( and price) improved. Same has been true of Chinese euipment. I bought a set of 2 and 4 flute standard endmills in the early 1990s. Wouldn't hold their sharpness if you cut anything serious. I bought a set ( very close in price) a couple of years ago; every bit as good as the Japanese and American tools I save for critical work. I've seen the accuracy of Chinese metal lathes friends have purchased and they are world class. As the world turns.... Jerry

03-12-2010, 11:18 PM	#20
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Chatted with a friend this afternoon, very off topic, but since we've already very off-topic ..... He mentioned that he talked to a truck driver a few days ago, and the driver complainted life being tough these days and every year being struggling. The driver's job, of course, was moving things around, so he still had a job. What interesting was what he moves around -- "U.S. is exporting raw material, and importing finished products" (driver's words). Selling raw material, buying finished products. That's today's mainstream trading model. The driver saw a problem,,,,,, a typical model in the past associated with Africa. Of course, he had no solution. That's Obama's job.