Info on DWM 1918 PLEASE!

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 02:51 PM

Hello,first post here. I have had this Luger a few years bought from a fellow that didnt want his wife to get it in his divorce. Story goes that his father brought this and a Drilling home from WW2.
I have collected all types of German militaria for the last 30+ years but this is my only Luger. I know very little about the minute details on these so I will look forward to ANY and ALL info you learned fellows will share on this gun. I have been reading here for a while and you guys know your stuff!!
As you can see the serial is 3310 "I ". When does that narrow the production date to? All numbers match except for the mag and the left grip(this grip is WW2 marked inside,perhaps replaced during that time?)Bore is only fair/good with some darkness and pitting. Finish has allways seemed a bit too good and I wondered what you fellows thought on that. I have shot the pistol and it functions fine,with some sensitivity to the ammo fed it. A few jams on the round going into the chamber.
Curious on the value to see if I did OK at $650 about 6 years ago?Please feel free to give all info good or bad and I will be happy to ad more pics if needed! THANKS! Kevin.

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 02:54 PM

rest of the pics,enjoy!!

lugerholsterrepair · 11-29-2009, 04:25 PM

Nice pistol! Ya stole it. Finish looks good to me.

Jerry Burney

Norme · 11-29-2009, 04:42 PM

Hi Kevin, Your pistol has been adapted for police use, it has a sear safety added. The finish looks O.K. to me too. Regards, Norm

MFC · 11-29-2009, 04:51 PM

1918 Military. Put into police service during the Weimar era. Sear and magazine safety added. The mag safety which didn't function well as designed, was partially clipped off as most were.

sheepherder · 11-29-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFC

The mag safety which didn't function well as designed, was partially clipped off as most were.

Hi Mike! I'm kind of new here, and not terribly knowledgeable about Lugers...The Old Fuds here have helped me enormously, enough so that I know where to look for the sear safety in the OP's pics...but could you tell me which pic shows the clipped off mag safety??? Thanks!!!

There is a gun show next weekend; I'd like to be able to spot a deal...

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 05:16 PM

Wow! Thanks guys.Great info,police use huh? What a story this is telling,First WW1 then used by police between the wars,then used during WW2 as witnessed by its capture and the WW2 grip plate! THIS is why I love collecting pieces of history,what a joy to see the story unfold!

What else can you fella's tell about this Luger? Do you think this saw use in the great war? What is the remaining evidence of the mag safety??

FNorm · 11-29-2009, 05:17 PM

Post,

Photo, ummmm, no. 6. the Trigger group. The slot out of the grip is the first sign. Then that little plate you see on, but above the frame shows where it was clipped off.

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 05:32 PM

Mike and FNorm, I never noticed that before about the grip!

Interesting thing is that is the WW2 marked grip(marked with a eagle stamp) do you think this means the mag safety was in use when this grip was installed or just slotted to fit flush after it was clipped off?

FNorm · 11-29-2009, 06:14 PM

Anything is possible with lugers, it seems. Chronologically, I'd guess the mag safety was clipped off, then sometime later the grip replaced. The replacement would have to have the slot too, to fit. But I'm just guessing.

How about a pic of that area with the grip removed?

FN

sheepherder · 11-29-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNorm

Post,

Photo, ummmm, no. 6. the Trigger group. The slot out of the grip is the first sign. Then that little plate you see on, but above the frame shows where it was clipped off.

FNorm -

That's the mag safety??? This is the slot you mean??? I don't see any little plate, except the sear safety...

(Note: I checked the FAQ...It would appear that there were originally pics in the FAQ showing the mag safety, but they no longer appear)

FNorm · 11-29-2009, 07:15 PM

Post,

Now look at the front edge of the grip top where it meets the side plate. See anything different?

FN

sheepherder · 11-29-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNorm

Post,

Now look at the front edge of the grip top where it meets the side plate. See anything different?

FN

Yes...It has more wood at the "point" than most Lugers on GB...

FNorm · 11-29-2009, 08:29 PM

Somewhere, recently, I saw/read a long discussion on the mag safety with pics. Was it here?
Anyway, I can't find it now...

That cut in the frame was for the back part of the spring...I think, then there's a hole drilled through just behind the trigger, and the grip slotted too.

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 09:33 PM

Here are the pics showing the WW2 grip removed. Showing the remains of the mag safety spring and the inside of the grip. I dont have an unaltered grip to compare mine against so you guys will have to show me one or tell if the grip has indeed been altered for this mag safety.

I also show the tiny eagle mark on the inner grip,very hard to see but I believe the number under the bird to be "655". Who made this grip and how old is it? Does the "E" mean anything to you guys??

I am still curious about the value of this Luger(hear alot of talk here of "collector grade" and "shooter grade" Lugers,what catagory does mine fall in?) and to what time period the "I" suffix narrows the production of this gun?? THANKS and keep the highly informative info comming!!

Kevin.

Ron Wood · 11-29-2009, 09:43 PM

Postino
The clipped magazine safety is visible in the image you posted.

MFC · 11-29-2009, 09:47 PM

From Still's Weimar Lugers

heers68 · 11-29-2009, 09:50 PM

Hello, Mr. Ron Wood!

Love to hear your general comments on this Luger and on the inner side of the left grip pics I posted above.

Been reading your posts and you seem to be very knowledgable! How long have you been in the Luger game?

THANKS MFC! They did'nt clip off much did they?

FNorm · 11-29-2009, 10:13 PM

Thanks, Kevin,

Best pics I've seen yet of the mag safety internals. I understand more now too.
You have one with a lot of history. I'd say collecter. But then I shoot everything in my meager collection at least once.

Now! Lets do the same breakdown on toggle locks. I still don't understand them...

FN

sheepherder · 11-29-2009, 10:14 PM

Thanks to Mike, Ron, and Norm for the pics & explanation!

11-29-2009, 02:51 PM	#1
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Info on DWM 1918 PLEASE! Hello,first post here. I have had this Luger a few years bought from a fellow that didnt want his wife to get it in his divorce. Story goes that his father brought this and a Drilling home from WW2. I have collected all types of German militaria for the last 30+ years but this is my only Luger. I know very little about the minute details on these so I will look forward to ANY and ALL info you learned fellows will share on this gun. I have been reading here for a while and you guys know your stuff!! As you can see the serial is 3310 "I ". When does that narrow the production date to? All numbers match except for the mag and the left grip(this grip is WW2 marked inside,perhaps replaced during that time?)Bore is only fair/good with some darkness and pitting. Finish has allways seemed a bit too good and I wondered what you fellows thought on that. I have shot the pistol and it functions fine,with some sensitivity to the ammo fed it. A few jams on the round going into the chamber. Curious on the value to see if I did OK at $650 about 6 years ago?Please feel free to give all info good or bad and I will be happy to ad more pics if needed! THANKS! Kevin. Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 02:54 PM	#2
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	rest of the pics,enjoy!! Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 04:25 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Nice pistol! Ya stole it. Finish looks good to me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-29-2009, 04:51 PM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	1918 Military. Put into police service during the Weimar era. Sear and magazine safety added. The mag safety which didn't function well as designed, was partially clipped off as most were. __________________ Mike C.

11-29-2009, 06:14 PM	#10
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Anything is possible with lugers, it seems. Chronologically, I'd guess the mag safety was clipped off, then sometime later the grip replaced. The replacement would have to have the slot too, to fit. But I'm just guessing. How about a pic of that area with the grip removed? FN Last edited by FNorm; 11-29-2009 at 06:18 PM. Reason: add

11-29-2009, 04:42 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Kevin, Your pistol has been adapted for police use, it has a sear safety added. The finish looks O.K. to me too. Regards, Norm

11-29-2009, 05:16 PM	#7
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow! Thanks guys.Great info,police use huh? What a story this is telling,First WW1 then used by police between the wars,then used during WW2 as witnessed by its capture and the WW2 grip plate! THIS is why I love collecting pieces of history,what a joy to see the story unfold! What else can you fella's tell about this Luger? Do you think this saw use in the great war? What is the remaining evidence of the mag safety??

11-29-2009, 05:17 PM	#8
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Post, Photo, ummmm, no. 6. the Trigger group. The slot out of the grip is the first sign. Then that little plate you see on, but above the frame shows where it was clipped off.

11-29-2009, 05:32 PM	#9
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike and FNorm, I never noticed that before about the grip! Interesting thing is that is the WW2 marked grip(marked with a eagle stamp) do you think this means the mag safety was in use when this grip was installed or just slotted to fit flush after it was clipped off?

11-29-2009, 07:15 PM	#12
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Post, Now look at the front edge of the grip top where it meets the side plate. See anything different? FN

11-29-2009, 08:29 PM	#14
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Somewhere, recently, I saw/read a long discussion on the mag safety with pics. Was it here? Anyway, I can't find it now... That cut in the frame was for the back part of the spring...I think, then there's a hole drilled through just behind the trigger, and the grip slotted too.

11-29-2009, 09:33 PM	#15
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here are the pics showing the WW2 grip removed. Showing the remains of the mag safety spring and the inside of the grip. I dont have an unaltered grip to compare mine against so you guys will have to show me one or tell if the grip has indeed been altered for this mag safety. I also show the tiny eagle mark on the inner grip,very hard to see but I believe the number under the bird to be "655". Who made this grip and how old is it? Does the "E" mean anything to you guys?? I am still curious about the value of this Luger(hear alot of talk here of "collector grade" and "shooter grade" Lugers,what catagory does mine fall in?) and to what time period the "I" suffix narrows the production of this gun?? THANKS and keep the highly informative info comming!! Kevin. Attached Thumbnails

11-29-2009, 09:43 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,037 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,247 Times in 1,720 Posts	Postino The clipped magazine safety is visible in the image you posted. Attached Images __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-29-2009, 09:47 PM	#17
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	From Still's Weimar Lugers Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mike C.

11-29-2009, 09:50 PM	#18
heers68 User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, Mr. Ron Wood! Love to hear your general comments on this Luger and on the inner side of the left grip pics I posted above. Been reading your posts and you seem to be very knowledgable! How long have you been in the Luger game? THANKS MFC! They did'nt clip off much did they?

11-29-2009, 10:13 PM	#19
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Thanks, Kevin, Best pics I've seen yet of the mag safety internals. I understand more now too. You have one with a lot of history. I'd say collecter. But then I shoot everything in my meager collection at least once. Now! Lets do the same breakdown on toggle locks. I still don't understand them... FN

11-29-2009, 10:14 PM	#20
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,196 Thanks: 1,416 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Thanks to Mike, Ron, and Norm for the pics & explanation!