Somebody is

SteveM · 10-16-2009, 07:19 PM

about to get harpooned..

Anybody else see something wrong?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=143454452

Ingvarg · 10-16-2009, 07:36 PM

Hmmm ???
Interesting sideplate.

And those grips looks diferent.

Mauser George · 10-16-2009, 07:36 PM

Steve:

Since this Luger has been in sellers family since the end of the war in Europe, I take it you do not believe the sideplate is a WW11 field replacement?

Regards,

George

Lugerdoc · 10-16-2009, 07:44 PM

The side plate is a Swiss type unnumbered replacement, so not matching. However the mag is a Kreighoff, which adds a couple of hundred bucks. TH

FNorm · 10-16-2009, 07:49 PM

The side plate is a 'Swiss style'. i.e. after 1929. The full island instead of a partial. Look at other lugers. Is that an E/2 mag?

tom beat me to the 'draw'.

SteveM · 10-16-2009, 07:58 PM

I would assume if it was armory replacement, it would be marked as such.

sheepherder · 10-16-2009, 09:26 PM

It don't look like it was stored 60 years in the holster...

"This...has been in our family since it was brought home tucked in the bottom of a duffel bag at the end of the war in Europe. This pistol was cleaned and lubricated, put away in its holster, and has never been played with or fired in all that time."

Never??? Never ever???

BTW: Is that tongue & buckle holster strap normal for a WW II Luger holster??? And if it's been stored for 60 years...why does it look so worn???

alvin · 10-16-2009, 09:38 PM

It might be captured without side plate. I read experts saying it's Swiss. Why would German use a Swiss part so highly unlike being field replacement. Or, father collector stored original side plate away, and used a replacement for range. How would the heir know that or he knew that but he could not find where the father put it.... and the gun became this.

suum cuique · 10-16-2009, 10:24 PM

Maybe this explains it?
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...61&postcount=1

I've learned an expensive lesson:
Advertisement descriptions for Lugers and parts are fairy-tales for grown ups.
(Especially @ ebay )

alvin · 10-17-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Maybe this explains it?
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...61&postcount=1

I've learned an expensive lesson:
Advertisement descriptions for Lugers and parts are fairy-tales for grown ups.
(Especially @ ebay )

It's good to be cautious. What MauserLugers described fits one-of-a-kind "supre rare" variations, but this particular S/42 is not a fake from the gound up.

I heard in other collecting world, fakes are common. Statistics says "90% Japanese swords on ebay are fakes". I receive spam emails every month regarding selling of replica watches, or coins (I'm not interested in those, who sold my email address?) But in C&R gun worlds, pure fake is rare according to what I saw. Much more common in C&R is "enhancement".

Ron Smith · 10-17-2009, 09:09 AM

Swiss side plate is a minus. However, 1935 dated military holsters are very rare. And with, as Tom stated, a Kreighoff magazine it's really not a bad deal.

Ron

Vlim · 10-17-2009, 09:37 AM

The side plate may even be a postwar Mauser part. In that case, at least it's an 'all Mauser parts gun'

Lugerdoc · 10-17-2009, 10:06 AM

VIM, Probably not a Mauser Parabellum or M29 Swiss original side plate, as these will not fit a standard PO8. Probably just a Swiss style repro. TH

Vlim · 10-17-2009, 06:27 PM

Tom,

Both the Swiss and the Mauser Parabellum sideplates will drop into a P08 without any problems. (with some minor tinkering sometimes needed, like with ordinary P08 sideplates that are swapped from pistol to pistol). Basic dimensions are exactly the same.

(Wrong: see my follow-up post)

4thUSMC · 10-17-2009, 11:21 PM

So is this a good deal?

EricW · 10-18-2009, 01:16 AM

I guess it depends on what the reserve is.

Anyone know the value of a '35 holster in "poor condition and missing the upper part of the strap"? I wouldn't think it has "collector" value.

wlyon · 10-18-2009, 01:36 AM

I feel any 1935 Army holster is collectible. The Krieghoff mag providing that the body is ok is worth $ 350 to $ 500, Can't tell much on the luger but if all matching except the sideplate should at least have high shooter value or more. So assume the luger at $800+, the Krieghoff mag at $400 , 1935 holster at $300+. We are now around $1500. Who knows? The description is wrong but there is considerable value in the whole. Bill

EricW · 10-18-2009, 02:17 AM

I guess I wasn't thinking of the rarity factor of the '35 holster.
I would like to find one, but I want a nice one.

sheepherder · 10-18-2009, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

The side plate is a Swiss type unnumbered replacement, so not matching. However the mag is a Kreighoff, which adds a couple of hundred bucks. TH

Hello Tom!

The description mentions two mags, and there are only two pics which show them (or one of them) out of the pistol...What exactly is it that says "Krieghoff" to you??? The markings on the aluminum bottom??? Duffel bag aside, is it possible that the bottom was fitted to another mfg body??? Or is there some other definitive feature that identifies it as "Krieghoff"???

At the gunshows I frequent, there are two vendors who deal exclusively in magazines...All kinds, all mfg's...They have many, and presumably know at least a little about each kind...I'd like to know what to look for, in case there is a Krieghoff in the mix...

Ron Smith · 10-18-2009, 09:39 AM

Rich,

The Eagle/2 on the base is a Krieghoff proof.

Ron

10-16-2009, 07:19 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Somebody is about to get harpooned.. Anybody else see something wrong? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=143454452

10-16-2009, 07:36 PM	#2
Ingvarg User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Iceland Posts: 103 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hmmm ??? Interesting sideplate. And those grips looks diferent. __________________ Regards: Ingvar

10-16-2009, 07:44 PM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	The side plate is a Swiss type unnumbered replacement, so not matching. However the mag is a Kreighoff, which adds a couple of hundred bucks. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-16-2009, 07:49 PM	#5
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	The side plate is a 'Swiss style'. i.e. after 1929. The full island instead of a partial. Look at other lugers. Is that an E/2 mag? tom beat me to the 'draw'. Last edited by FNorm; 10-16-2009 at 07:50 PM. Reason: add

10-16-2009, 10:24 PM	#9
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Wise words Maybe this explains it? http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...61&postcount=1 I've learned an expensive lesson: Advertisement descriptions for Lugers and parts are fairy-tales for grown ups. (Especially @ ebay ) __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

10-16-2009, 07:36 PM	#3
Mauser George User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New York Posts: 88 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Steve: Since this Luger has been in sellers family since the end of the war in Europe, I take it you do not believe the sideplate is a WW11 field replacement? Regards, George

10-16-2009, 07:58 PM	#6
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I would assume if it was armory replacement, it would be marked as such.

10-16-2009, 09:26 PM	#7
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	It don't look like it was stored 60 years in the holster... "This...has been in our family since it was brought home tucked in the bottom of a duffel bag at the end of the war in Europe. This pistol was cleaned and lubricated, put away in its holster, and has never been played with or fired in all that time." Never??? Never ever??? BTW: Is that tongue & buckle holster strap normal for a WW II Luger holster??? And if it's been stored for 60 years...why does it look so worn???

10-16-2009, 09:38 PM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It might be captured without side plate. I read experts saying it's Swiss. Why would German use a Swiss part so highly unlike being field replacement. Or, father collector stored original side plate away, and used a replacement for range. How would the heir know that or he knew that but he could not find where the father put it.... and the gun became this.

10-17-2009, 09:09 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Swiss side plate is a minus. However, 1935 dated military holsters are very rare. And with, as Tom stated, a Kreighoff magazine it's really not a bad deal. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-17-2009, 09:37 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The side plate may even be a postwar Mauser part. In that case, at least it's an 'all Mauser parts gun'

10-17-2009, 10:06 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	VIM, Probably not a Mauser Parabellum or M29 Swiss original side plate, as these will not fit a standard PO8. Probably just a Swiss style repro. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-17-2009, 06:27 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Tom, Both the Swiss and the Mauser Parabellum sideplates will drop into a P08 without any problems. (with some minor tinkering sometimes needed, like with ordinary P08 sideplates that are swapped from pistol to pistol). Basic dimensions are exactly the same. (Wrong: see my follow-up post)

10-17-2009, 11:21 PM	#15
4thUSMC User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So is this a good deal?

10-18-2009, 01:16 AM	#16
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I guess it depends on what the reserve is. Anyone know the value of a '35 holster in "poor condition and missing the upper part of the strap"? I wouldn't think it has "collector" value. __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

10-18-2009, 01:36 AM	#17
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	I feel any 1935 Army holster is collectible. The Krieghoff mag providing that the body is ok is worth $ 350 to $ 500, Can't tell much on the luger but if all matching except the sideplate should at least have high shooter value or more. So assume the luger at $800+, the Krieghoff mag at $400 , 1935 holster at $300+. We are now around $1500. Who knows? The description is wrong but there is considerable value in the whole. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

10-18-2009, 02:17 AM	#18
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I guess I wasn't thinking of the rarity factor of the '35 holster. I would like to find one, but I want a nice one. __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

10-18-2009, 09:39 AM	#20
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Rich, The Eagle/2 on the base is a Krieghoff proof. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...