Shocking discovering!

suum cuique · 10-04-2009, 11:37 PM

I always believed my 1937 S/42 has all # matching except the magazine.
Even the grips were matching. I just sent them out for restoring. (Now I have temporary some aftermarket grips on the gun)
Now I've discovered that the rear toggle bolt has no number at all. Is there any chance that a 1937 S/42 Luger had a rear toggle bolt without a number?
I checked the FAQ section and as far I understand the rear toggle bolt must have a number.
BTW, why is it that the ejector does not have a # ?
At the FAQ list is the ejector not mentioned.
Thanks

Ron Wood · 10-05-2009, 12:12 AM

The ejector is basically a spring, and springs generally are not numbered. There is a risk of work hardening an already brittle piece of metal.

Vlim · 10-05-2009, 07:02 AM

And the ejector isn't supposed to live that long, it's a wear part. Hence no need to number it.

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2009, 10:01 AM

when you say rear toggle bolt, I am guessing the rear toggle pin and not the rear toggle link?

A blank number in my opinion is better than a wrong numbered one.... but for a 1937, still a hit...

Ed

suum cuique · 10-05-2009, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

when you say rear toggle bolt, I am guessing the rear toggle pin and not the rear toggle link?

A blank number in my opinion is better than a wrong numbered one.... but for a 1937, still a hit...

Ed

Ed,
I mean part number 020 (pin)
http://www.lugerforum.com/images/lugerparts.gif

Were 1937 S/42 Lugers manufactured w/o a numbered pin?
Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2009, 12:35 PM

NO

FAQ: #20

Quote:

Note, that the rear toggle pin was not serial-numbered until 1932.

so, anything after 1932 should have the last two of the serial number....

lugerholsterrepair · 10-05-2009, 01:35 PM

Ron, The ejector is basically a spring, and springs generally are not numbered. There is a risk of work hardening an already brittle piece of metal.

It is possible to mark this hardened part...Erfurt-Krieg ejector's are proofed. I would think the part could be marked & then hardened?

Of course as Vlim says..it's a disposable part, why bother.

Jerry Burney

suum cuique · 10-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

NO

FAQ: #20

so, anything after 1932 should have the last two of the serial number....

Thanks Ed,

I have overlooked this sentence.
I'm really disappointed now to have a mismatched shooter...

Ron Wood · 10-05-2009, 03:16 PM

Jerry,
I was aware that Erfurt an Krieghoff ejectors are inspector marked. Probably in the grand scheme of things, such a small mark does not weaken the ejector appreciably. An inspector's mark could be applied during part production. Most likely it was done before hardening as you surmised. However, to add a serial number once the ejector is associated with a specific piece would not be very practical since the weapon would be in the final stages of assembly. Halting assembly at this point to harden/temper the ejector would be counter-productive

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Thanks Ed,

I have overlooked this sentence.
I'm really disappointed now to have a mismatched shooter...

I highly disagree with this being considered a mismatched shooter; however, if you desire to sell it to me for $650 shipped, the check will be in the mail tomorrow....

Ed

alvin · 10-05-2009, 07:11 PM

I'm lost. It has been sending out for refurbishing. Then why that number is still so annoying. That should be way less important after restoration.

suum cuique · 10-05-2009, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

I highly disagree with this being considered a mismatched shooter; however, if you desire to sell it to me for $650 shipped, the check will be in the mail tomorrow....

Ed

Ed,
thanks, but I am trying to get the correct pin. Even if it takes me a while.
I am still in love with her and would not give her up just for this blemish.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-05-2009, 07:37 PM

Ron, I know you knew this....I'm just sayin. It's possible..Just dosen't make any sence.

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 10-05-2009, 08:05 PM

I knew you knew that I knew.

I quit trying to make sense out of why Lugers were made one way sometimes and another way another time...I just go with the flow!

suum cuique · 10-05-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

I'm lost. It has been sending out for refurbishing. Then why that number is still so annoying. That should be way less important after restoration.

I just sent the original grips with #59 to Hugh for recheckering and restauration. The gun will not be refurbished.

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2009, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suum cuique

Ed,
thanks, but I am trying to get the correct pin. Even if it takes me a while.
I am still in love with her and would not give her up just for this blemish.

To me a wrong firing pin or wrong toggle pin does not make a shooter.

I looked; I have a 10
89 or a 68
27
04
62
25
and a 93

Ed

Frank · 10-06-2009, 09:26 AM

Ron & Jerry, since I'm a kinda Mauser Guy, I thought I would mention that the early K-Date ejectors were marked with a "S"!!

Ron Wood · 10-06-2009, 11:18 AM

"a kinda Mauser Guy"...wow, that's an understatement!

Didn't know about the "S" on a K-Date. Another thing to look for when evauating authenticity. Thanks.

Thor · 10-06-2009, 12:53 PM

Those early K's have Ss even on the top of the front sight blade, mag release, ejector and trigger. Ss everywhere!! Some have even been known to shoot blue pencils! World of Lugers by Constanzo shows on page 321 Eagle over 6 Simson proofing possible as well as a smaller Eagle over 6 and the K and Erfurt marking that Ron Wood mentioned. A great book!!

suum cuique · 10-06-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

To me a wrong firing pin or wrong toggle pin does not make a shooter.

I looked; I have a 10
89 or a 68
27
04
62
25
and a 93

Ed

Ed,
thanks alot.

10-04-2009, 11:37 PM	#1
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Shocking discovering! I always believed my 1937 S/42 has all # matching except the magazine. Even the grips were matching. I just sent them out for restoring. (Now I have temporary some aftermarket grips on the gun) Now I've discovered that the rear toggle bolt has no number at all. Is there any chance that a 1937 S/42 Luger had a rear toggle bolt without a number? I checked the FAQ section and as far I understand the rear toggle bolt must have a number. BTW, why is it that the ejector does not have a # ? At the FAQ list is the ejector not mentioned. Thanks __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz) Last edited by suum cuique; 10-05-2009 at 08:09 PM.

10-05-2009, 01:35 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Ron, The ejector is basically a spring, and springs generally are not numbered. There is a risk of work hardening an already brittle piece of metal. It is possible to mark this hardened part...Erfurt-Krieg ejector's are proofed. I would think the part could be marked & then hardened? Of course as Vlim says..it's a disposable part, why bother. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-05-2009, 03:16 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Jerry, I was aware that Erfurt an Krieghoff ejectors are inspector marked. Probably in the grand scheme of things, such a small mark does not weaken the ejector appreciably. An inspector's mark could be applied during part production. Most likely it was done before hardening as you surmised. However, to add a serial number once the ejector is associated with a specific piece would not be very practical since the weapon would be in the final stages of assembly. Halting assembly at this point to harden/temper the ejector would be counter-productive __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-05-2009, 07:37 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Ron, I know you knew this....I'm just sayin. It's possible..Just dosen't make any sence. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-05-2009, 08:05 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	I knew you knew that I knew. I quit trying to make sense out of why Lugers were made one way sometimes and another way another time...I just go with the flow! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-05-2009, 12:12 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	The ejector is basically a spring, and springs generally are not numbered. There is a risk of work hardening an already brittle piece of metal. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-05-2009, 07:02 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	And the ejector isn't supposed to live that long, it's a wear part. Hence no need to number it.

10-05-2009, 10:01 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	when you say rear toggle bolt, I am guessing the rear toggle pin and not the rear toggle link? A blank number in my opinion is better than a wrong numbered one.... but for a 1937, still a hit... Ed

10-05-2009, 07:11 PM	#11
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I'm lost. It has been sending out for refurbishing. Then why that number is still so annoying. That should be way less important after restoration.

10-06-2009, 09:26 AM	#17
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Ron & Jerry, since I'm a kinda Mauser Guy, I thought I would mention that the early K-Date ejectors were marked with a "S"!!

10-06-2009, 11:18 AM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	"a kinda Mauser Guy"...wow, that's an understatement! Didn't know about the "S" on a K-Date. Another thing to look for when evauating authenticity. Thanks. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-06-2009, 12:53 PM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Those early K's have Ss even on the top of the front sight blade, mag release, ejector and trigger. Ss everywhere!! Some have even been known to shoot blue pencils! World of Lugers by Constanzo shows on page 321 Eagle over 6 Simson proofing possible as well as a smaller Eagle over 6 and the K and Erfurt marking that Ron Wood mentioned. A great book!! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."