1941 holster <img BORDER="0" src='http://boards.rennlist.com/luger/pic.gif'>

11-26-2001, 07:49 AM

what do the experts think about my new holster? please honest opinions. it is made by: F.G.Leuner GmbH Bautzen 1941

WaA 170

does anybody know something about it?

see pics (also following)

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/2.JPG

11-26-2001, 07:51 AM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/3.JPG

11-26-2001, 07:53 AM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/4.JPG

11-26-2001, 08:05 AM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/1.JPG

11-26-2001, 08:10 AM

Copy!!! I have the same holster! I hope you haven't payed more than $45 (or 100 DM)?

Greetings from Germany!

JF

11-26-2001, 08:26 AM

ich bin aus wuppertal, habe DM 120,- bezahlt. dachte echt, wÃ?Â¤re ein schnÃ?Â¤ppchen. echt ne kopie?

is it real a copie? ****.

11-26-2001, 08:39 AM

Hi nach Wuppertal,

ja, eine Kopie. Jedes Holster fÃ?Â¼r unter 300,- DM ist mit groÃ??er Sicherheit eine Kopie. Die Dinger sind im Original richtig teuer. Aber 120 DM ist hart an der Schmerzgrenze, da die Kopien recht gut verarbeitet sind.

GruÃ?? aus Frankfurt (M)

JF

tom · 11-26-2001, 09:19 AM

It is as fake as a 3 Dollar bill. Giveaway at first glance was stitching on buckle attaching strap; after that the general contour of the holster, tool pouch is dead wrong and texture of leather appears bad. The stamping on the back is decidedly bogus.

Take it back and demand your money.

Sorry to bear bad news!

Tom

Dok · 11-26-2001, 10:06 AM

So that everyone can enjoy your posts.

Dok (Webmaster)

11-26-2001, 10:11 AM

Verzeihung ahhm, Sorry...

In Germany you can buy these so-called "Repro-Holsters" officially for about 95 - 120 DM. So the price you payed is ok, but has the seller told you, that the holster is original or have you asked him about originality???

If not, you've got a problem, if yes and he told you, it is original, it is FRAUD!!!

Best regards

11-26-2001, 10:13 AM

Dieter, Looks like a repro to me. The newness of the leather & stiching, the none traditional stamps on the back, the extra stitching on the closure strap and most WW1 era holsters will have the back piece covering the mag pouch. Tom h

11-26-2001, 10:27 AM

Hi,

as I told. I have absolutely the same holster with the same markings, with the same WaA-number in the same size at the same place. I bought it as a repro for about $45 in Germany.

Best regards

JF

PS: Did the original holster have the "P08" marking on the back? I think NO?!?

Thor · 11-26-2001, 10:32 AM

Dieter, I dont know about your holster, but......WOW!!! Nice pictures! ~Thor~

Bob Egan · 11-26-2001, 11:31 PM

Gott in Himmil!Nein!

11-27-2001, 03:29 AM

ok. sorry to all. dieter

11-27-2001, 03:37 AM

thanks to all. i think i'll sale it thursday at the gunshow in dortmund. thought really, that it was original and so i did not ask too much and paid. i bought it in my vacation in vienna at a very small gunshop. he had nothing for lugers, only this holster lying on spareparts for k98k.

maybe it would be interesting to tell all, how to identify a fake. dieter

Dok · 11-27-2001, 10:11 AM

John Sabato · 11-27-2001, 12:06 PM

and would be a topic too long for a post here. There are books about the original historic holsters that you should find and make yourself thoroughly familiar with if you are going to collect them... You could call them the Bibles for Luger collecting.

Just like Faith in God, you should make yourself so familiar with the truth (the Bible), that if a counterfeit looms on the horizon, you will know it immediately... It is a knowledgen acquired over time and experience, not one that you can become an expert in over a weekend.

-regards,

John

JuergenG · 11-27-2001, 02:06 PM

Dieter,

I'm going to Dortmund on Thursday too.

Many originals out there, but when you look at the prices....

Mascow seem to have the largest offer, but I'm not going to pay him $ 200 + for a holster in poor condition.

See you,

Juergen

Ad. Yeaman · 11-27-2001, 03:37 PM

I bought my fake holster (advertised as such), with the same manufacturer's and waffenamt (sp?) marks as on your fake for $39.97 plus S&H on the web from CheaperthanDirt.com. (Also got a bunch of camping stuff for 11 YO grandson). Similar "replicas" are also available, inter alia, from I.M.A.Inc. and for $27.95 from Interordnance.com.

11-26-2001, 07:49 AM	#1
Dieter Guest Posts: n/a	1941 holster what do the experts think about my new holster? please honest opinions. it is made by: F.G.Leuner GmbH Bautzen 1941 WaA 170 does anybody know something about it? see pics (also following) http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/2.JPG

11-26-2001, 07:51 AM	#2
Dieter Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster (EOM) http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/3.JPG

11-26-2001, 07:53 AM	#3
Dieter Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster (EOM) http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/4.JPG

11-26-2001, 08:05 AM	#4
Dieter Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster (EOM) http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/1.JPG

11-26-2001, 08:10 AM	#5
JF Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster Copy!!! I have the same holster! I hope you haven't payed more than $45 (or 100 DM)? Greetings from Germany! JF

11-26-2001, 08:26 AM	#6
Dieter Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster ich bin aus wuppertal, habe DM 120,- bezahlt. dachte echt, wÃ?Â¤re ein schnÃ?Â¤ppchen. echt ne kopie? is it real a copie? ****.

11-26-2001, 08:39 AM	#7
JF Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster Hi nach Wuppertal, ja, eine Kopie. Jedes Holster fÃ?Â¼r unter 300,- DM ist mit groÃ??er Sicherheit eine Kopie. Die Dinger sind im Original richtig teuer. Aber 120 DM ist hart an der Schmerzgrenze, da die Kopien recht gut verarbeitet sind. GruÃ?? aus Frankfurt (M) JF

11-26-2001, 09:19 AM	#8
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 1941 holster It is as fake as a 3 Dollar bill. Giveaway at first glance was stitching on buckle attaching strap; after that the general contour of the holster, tool pouch is dead wrong and texture of leather appears bad. The stamping on the back is decidedly bogus. Take it back and demand your money. Sorry to bear bad news! Tom

11-26-2001, 10:06 AM	#9
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	PLEASE USE ENGLISH... So that everyone can enjoy your posts. Dok (Webmaster)

11-26-2001, 10:11 AM	#10
JF Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PLEASE USE ENGLISH... Verzeihung ahhm, Sorry... In Germany you can buy these so-called "Repro-Holsters" officially for about 95 - 120 DM. So the price you payed is ok, but has the seller told you, that the holster is original or have you asked him about originality??? If not, you've got a problem, if yes and he told you, it is original, it is FRAUD!!! Best regards

11-26-2001, 10:13 AM	#11
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster Dieter, Looks like a repro to me. The newness of the leather & stiching, the none traditional stamps on the back, the extra stitching on the closure strap and most WW1 era holsters will have the back piece covering the mag pouch. Tom h

11-26-2001, 10:27 AM	#12
JF Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster Hi, as I told. I have absolutely the same holster with the same markings, with the same WaA-number in the same size at the same place. I bought it as a repro for about $45 in Germany. Best regards JF PS: Did the original holster have the "P08" marking on the back? I think NO?!?

11-26-2001, 10:32 AM	#13
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Re: 1941 holster Dieter, I dont know about your holster, but......WOW!!! Nice pictures! ~Thor~

11-26-2001, 11:31 PM	#14
Bob Egan User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PLEASE USE ENGLISH... Gott in Himmil!Nein!

11-27-2001, 03:29 AM	#15
Dieter Kastel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: PLEASE USE ENGLISH... ok. sorry to all. dieter

11-27-2001, 03:37 AM	#16
Dieter Kastel Guest Posts: n/a	Re: 1941 holster thanks to all. i think i'll sale it thursday at the gunshow in dortmund. thought really, that it was original and so i did not ask too much and paid. i bought it in my vacation in vienna at a very small gunshop. he had nothing for lugers, only this holster lying on spareparts for k98k. maybe it would be interesting to tell all, how to identify a fake. dieter

11-27-2001, 10:11 AM	#17
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	No offense taken (EOM)

11-27-2001, 12:06 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Dieter, Identification of fake holsters would be a full length course and would be a topic too long for a post here. There are books about the original historic holsters that you should find and make yourself thoroughly familiar with if you are going to collect them... You could call them the Bibles for Luger collecting. Just like Faith in God, you should make yourself so familiar with the truth (the Bible), that if a counterfeit looms on the horizon, you will know it immediately... It is a knowledgen acquired over time and experience, not one that you can become an expert in over a weekend. -regards, John

11-27-2001, 02:06 PM	#19
JuergenG User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 155 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 1941 holster/Dortmund Dieter, I'm going to Dortmund on Thursday too. Many originals out there, but when you look at the prices.... Mascow seem to have the largest offer, but I'm not going to pay him $ 200 + for a holster in poor condition. See you, Juergen

11-27-2001, 03:37 PM	#20
Ad. Yeaman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Springfield, Virginia Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Fake Holsters I bought my fake holster (advertised as such), with the same manufacturer's and waffenamt (sp?) marks as on your fake for $39.97 plus S&H on the web from CheaperthanDirt.com. (Also got a bunch of camping stuff for 11 YO grandson). Similar "replicas" are also available, inter alia, from I.M.A.Inc. and for $27.95 from Interordnance.com.