another new, and my first luger

Patrick Mc Mahon · 06-24-2008, 10:01 AM

I recently bought a DWM 1918/1920 military luger. It has been reworked, as there is a small s/42 on the toggle, running the length of the toggle. It appears elsewhere (I am at work, and forgot to bring my notes, and somehow I am not sure looking at a luger while at my desk, will help my job!)
What I can not fahtom is just forward of the dates, on top of the frame behind the barrel, is a smll cut out, sort of coin slotted, and appears well done. At Joe Salters web site, there is a police rework luger with the same cut out, (#9230). This leads me to believe that the cut out was done by the German government, but why?
So far, my only therory is this is a cut out to fit the artillery luger rear sight. (not a good one, but I am desperate!)

any one know about this slot?

There is also some markings on the area by the lanyard loop- if I remember right, they are 9 and 33. I have not found any info on these yet.
Sorry if this is old news, but I am just getting started.
Patrick

Steinar · 06-24-2008, 10:16 AM

Welcome Patrick!
Right you are about the small notch, you are probably refering to the cut for the rear sight of an artillery Luger.
From your description, it sounds like your toggle is a mismatch from the rest of the gun. Perhaps if you took some pictures of it, as detailed as possible, we could help out further. Congrats with the luger!

Ron Smith · 06-24-2008, 10:40 AM

Hi Patrick,

If the S/42 is small, it indicates an armorer's replacement part. S/42 is a Mauser code. The numbers near the lanyard loop are "rack" numbers, if it's a police pistol. A provisional unit mark, if it's a military issue pistol.

Welcome to the confusion...

Ron

Patrick Mc Mahon · 06-24-2008, 04:20 PM

I am now thinking I may be right- that the barrel is a replacement of an artillery barrel. I think that it is marked with a small s/42. Tomorrow I will try to photograph the markings and barrel, with the frame cut. The reason I suspected anotch for the sight is that nothing else would be a reason to make such a notch. However, I have looked at a LOT of artillery lugers in the last week, and every one has the sight down, no one has photoed the underneath.
Thanks for the help
PS: The luger came with a 1942 (?last number not clear) and CYQ maker marks on the back, a wooden based matching magazine and one aliuminun based perhaps modern one. I susmize a WW1 luger, rebarrelled and issued in the days of WW1.
I would love it to be a police model!
Patrick

Patrick Mc Mahon · 06-24-2008, 04:30 PM

There is another luger a few pictures down from this listing that has the same cut on the frame behind the barrel that mine does:

1917/1920 Erfurt Reichswehr Dave Baird
thaks
Patrick

Ron Smith · 06-25-2008, 08:08 AM

Patrick,

Your Luger would be a WWII military rework done sometime after 1936, when the S/42 Mauser code was adopted. Many Artillery Lugers either had the barrel shortened or, as in your case, replaced.

DWM only put the sight cut on the Artillery model. From 1916 through 1918 all Erfurt Lugers , including 4", were made with the Artillery sight cut.

The 9.33 (provisional unit mark ?) on the back could have been placed there anytime during or after WWI. Probably during the Weimar era 1919 to mid 1920s, and as late as early 1937. It could indicate 9th Regiment weapon #33. Without a clear photo, I can't be certain.

"The luger came with a 1942 (?last number not clear) and CYQ maker marks on the back"

You say your Luger came with a 1942 cyq (holster?). 1942 dated holsters in nice condition are desirable.

Can you provide photos?

Ron

Patrick Mc Mahon · 06-25-2008, 04:07 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02270.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02266.jpg
Here are a few of the photos I have finally loaded of my 1918/1920, possibly first an artillary luger, then a 4" barrelled luger, with s/42 marked (in small letters, "upside down" on the toggle, and on the barrel.
Is this mark, on the barrel, of an eagle with a capital letter "A"? It is not clear as the mark is incomplet on the barrel. Is this the KU mark?
the other photo is a few more repro toys of mine.
I will send the rear frame stampsing next
Patrick

Patrick Mc Mahon · 06-25-2008, 04:21 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02263.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02267_copy3.jpg
This shows the under barrel markings, and the odd numbers onthe rear. Boy, I would be happy to have them be police numbers!
I will photo the holster, it is in fairlyrough shape- the belt loops are broken, and the latch strap dry rotted. Someone has tried to scrape (?my guess) the black off.
Also the two magazines, one numbered to the weapon.
But, it is mine!
Patrick

06-24-2008, 10:01 AM	#1
Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	another new, and my first luger I recently bought a DWM 1918/1920 military luger. It has been reworked, as there is a small s/42 on the toggle, running the length of the toggle. It appears elsewhere (I am at work, and forgot to bring my notes, and somehow I am not sure looking at a luger while at my desk, will help my job!) What I can not fahtom is just forward of the dates, on top of the frame behind the barrel, is a smll cut out, sort of coin slotted, and appears well done. At Joe Salters web site, there is a police rework luger with the same cut out, (#9230). This leads me to believe that the cut out was done by the German government, but why? So far, my only therory is this is a cut out to fit the artillery luger rear sight. (not a good one, but I am desperate!) any one know about this slot? There is also some markings on the area by the lanyard loop- if I remember right, they are 9 and 33. I have not found any info on these yet. Sorry if this is old news, but I am just getting started. Patrick

06-24-2008, 10:16 AM	#2
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Welcome Patrick! Right you are about the small notch, you are probably refering to the cut for the rear sight of an artillery Luger. From your description, it sounds like your toggle is a mismatch from the rest of the gun. Perhaps if you took some pictures of it, as detailed as possible, we could help out further. Congrats with the luger! __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

06-25-2008, 08:08 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Patrick, Your Luger would be a WWII military rework done sometime after 1936, when the S/42 Mauser code was adopted. Many Artillery Lugers either had the barrel shortened or, as in your case, replaced. DWM only put the sight cut on the Artillery model. From 1916 through 1918 all Erfurt Lugers , including 4", were made with the Artillery sight cut. The 9.33 (provisional unit mark ?) on the back could have been placed there anytime during or after WWI. Probably during the Weimar era 1919 to mid 1920s, and as late as early 1937. It could indicate 9th Regiment weapon #33. Without a clear photo, I can't be certain. "The luger came with a 1942 (?last number not clear) and CYQ maker marks on the back" You say your Luger came with a 1942 cyq (holster?). 1942 dated holsters in nice condition are desirable. Can you provide photos? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-25-2008, 04:07 PM	#7
Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02270.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02266.jpg Here are a few of the photos I have finally loaded of my 1918/1920, possibly first an artillary luger, then a 4" barrelled luger, with s/42 marked (in small letters, "upside down" on the toggle, and on the barrel. Is this mark, on the barrel, of an eagle with a capital letter "A"? It is not clear as the mark is incomplet on the barrel. Is this the KU mark? the other photo is a few more repro toys of mine. I will send the rear frame stampsing next Patrick Attached Thumbnails

06-25-2008, 04:21 PM	#8
Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02263.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/dsc02267_copy3.jpg This shows the under barrel markings, and the odd numbers onthe rear. Boy, I would be happy to have them be police numbers! I will photo the holster, it is in fairlyrough shape- the belt loops are broken, and the latch strap dry rotted. Someone has tried to scrape (?my guess) the black off. Also the two magazines, one numbered to the weapon. But, it is mine! Patrick Attached Thumbnails

06-24-2008, 10:40 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Patrick, If the S/42 is small, it indicates an armorer's replacement part. S/42 is a Mauser code. The numbers near the lanyard loop are "rack" numbers, if it's a police pistol. A provisional unit mark, if it's a military issue pistol. Welcome to the confusion... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-24-2008, 04:20 PM	#4
Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I am now thinking I may be right- that the barrel is a replacement of an artillery barrel. I think that it is marked with a small s/42. Tomorrow I will try to photograph the markings and barrel, with the frame cut. The reason I suspected anotch for the sight is that nothing else would be a reason to make such a notch. However, I have looked at a LOT of artillery lugers in the last week, and every one has the sight down, no one has photoed the underneath. Thanks for the help PS: The luger came with a 1942 (?last number not clear) and CYQ maker marks on the back, a wooden based matching magazine and one aliuminun based perhaps modern one. I susmize a WW1 luger, rebarrelled and issued in the days of WW1. I would love it to be a police model! Patrick

06-24-2008, 04:30 PM	#5
Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There is another luger a few pictures down from this listing that has the same cut on the frame behind the barrel that mine does: 1917/1920 Erfurt Reichswehr Dave Baird thaks Patrick