S/42 1937 opinion needed

arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:31 AM

Hi all,

i need you expertise in order to have some oipinion on the blue of this gun. The luger is an S/42 1937 date all matching including the magazine. The overall condition is really very good and it do not show an heavy use.

As the italian law required has been converted to caliber 9X21 and has been converted and tested with this caliber in Germany just before the importing to Italy.

Hoping the picture are clear :-)))

Thanks a lot for any comment or opinion you give!!

Ciao

Alberto

arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:33 AM

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arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:34 AM

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arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:35 AM

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arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:40 AM

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arabitogu · 05-25-2008, 11:42 AM

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alvin · 05-25-2008, 11:58 AM

It's refurbished. German quality of job!

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Sorry, had to handle a little bit other things, so did not finish earlier. There are a few hints, but this one has hard error. The only Mauser that I remembered having blued muzzle being post-war Interarms..... how could German professional make mistake like this....

John Winter · 05-26-2008, 05:16 PM

Refinishing seems to have assumed a cultural perspective. Many of the guns that we handle in Germany have obviously been refinished and to them, it doesn't detract from the value. They don't understand why we consider this a negative factor in pricing because to them, appearance is the ultimate goal (Doubt that I'll ever agree with them on this point). I strongly agree that the quality of recent workmanship on this gun is excellent.

arabitogu · 06-02-2008, 05:32 PM

Thnks for the reply.
Only one thing. I found the following thread about a 1938 S/42 with the muzzle blued so i'd like to know if it is common or not on the mauser production on those years. I'm not an expert ....

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=18393

Thanks and ciao

Alberto

alvin · 06-02-2008, 08:36 PM

Alberto -- That gun's muzzle is white. Their Kar 98k have white muzzle as well. Even "foreign" pistols like Nambu, Lahti etc have white muzzle in that era.

John Winter · 06-04-2008, 01:11 PM

Alberto,
Any amount of firing will remove the bluing from the crown. I have owned several mint Mauser 98K's and those crowns were definately blued. Perhaps someone else on the forum has owned an unfired Luger of the same vintage as yours, but I have never had one. In closely examining the muzzle crowns of my high condition Lugers, all have the same pattern of concentric circles and show no evidence of having been buffed, which would have an esential step in the finishing process following bluing if the crowns were indeed, originally finished "in the white."If you'd like to whiten the crown, a careful rubbing with undiluted vinegar will have the desired affect but be extremely careful not to drip any onto other areas of the gun, as it will ruin the refinish. Personally, since it's a restoration, I'd leave it as is.

alvin · 06-04-2008, 05:42 PM

John, I read your opinion. Basicly, the crown had been blued but got lost after firing the gun.

I will post two muzzles here.... both have like-new bore. I assume they had been fired in the past, but the bore looks newer than my SIG 239, which I bought NIB and fired only 21 rounds. So not much firing.

May I assume the blue was lost due to past firing, .....no, I am not convinced.

7,65 Lu
9m/m Box

John Winter · 06-04-2008, 06:13 PM

Alvin,
Thanks for the info and the great pix. Were you firing corrosive-primed ammunition? I can't recall ever having seen a 1937 vintage Luger in either rust or salt blue, that was unfired and I guess Alberto is concerned as to what a correct restoration of the Mauser manufacturing process would be (his muzzle crown is blue). Hopefully, someone on the forum has one. Fortunately, there are enough unissued byf P.38's and 98K's in collections with intact bluing on their muzzles to at least begin to form a hypothesis as to whether or not muzzle crowns left that factory blued.

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arabitogu User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	S/42 1937 opinion needed Hi all, i need you expertise in order to have some oipinion on the blue of this gun. The luger is an S/42 1937 date all matching including the magazine. The overall condition is really very good and it do not show an heavy use. As the italian law required has been converted to caliber 9X21 and has been converted and tested with this caliber in Germany just before the importing to Italy. Hoping the picture are clear :-))) Thanks a lot for any comment or opinion you give!! Ciao Alberto Attached Thumbnails

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alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's refurbished. German quality of job! ===== Sorry, had to handle a little bit other things, so did not finish earlier. There are a few hints, but this one has hard error. The only Mauser that I remembered having blued muzzle being post-war Interarms..... how could German professional make mistake like this....

05-26-2008, 05:16 PM	#8
John Winter User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Refinishing seems to have assumed a cultural perspective. Many of the guns that we handle in Germany have obviously been refinished and to them, it doesn't detract from the value. They don't understand why we consider this a negative factor in pricing because to them, appearance is the ultimate goal (Doubt that I'll ever agree with them on this point). I strongly agree that the quality of recent workmanship on this gun is excellent. __________________ JRW

06-02-2008, 05:32 PM	#9
arabitogu User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thnks for the reply. Only one thing. I found the following thread about a 1938 S/42 with the muzzle blued so i'd like to know if it is common or not on the mauser production on those years. I'm not an expert .... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=18393 Thanks and ciao Alberto

06-02-2008, 08:36 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Alberto -- That gun's muzzle is white. Their Kar 98k have white muzzle as well. Even "foreign" pistols like Nambu, Lahti etc have white muzzle in that era.

06-04-2008, 01:11 PM	#11
John Winter User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alberto, Any amount of firing will remove the bluing from the crown. I have owned several mint Mauser 98K's and those crowns were definately blued. Perhaps someone else on the forum has owned an unfired Luger of the same vintage as yours, but I have never had one. In closely examining the muzzle crowns of my high condition Lugers, all have the same pattern of concentric circles and show no evidence of having been buffed, which would have an esential step in the finishing process following bluing if the crowns were indeed, originally finished "in the white."If you'd like to whiten the crown, a careful rubbing with undiluted vinegar will have the desired affect but be extremely careful not to drip any onto other areas of the gun, as it will ruin the refinish. Personally, since it's a restoration, I'd leave it as is. __________________ JRW

06-04-2008, 05:42 PM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	John, I read your opinion. Basicly, the crown had been blued but got lost after firing the gun. I will post two muzzles here.... both have like-new bore. I assume they had been fired in the past, but the bore looks newer than my SIG 239, which I bought NIB and fired only 21 rounds. So not much firing. May I assume the blue was lost due to past firing, .....no, I am not convinced. 7,65 Lu 9m/m Box Attached Thumbnails

06-04-2008, 06:13 PM	#13
John Winter User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alvin, Thanks for the info and the great pix. Were you firing corrosive-primed ammunition? I can't recall ever having seen a 1937 vintage Luger in either rust or salt blue, that was unfired and I guess Alberto is concerned as to what a correct restoration of the Mauser manufacturing process would be (his muzzle crown is blue). Hopefully, someone on the forum has one. Fortunately, there are enough unissued byf P.38's and 98K's in collections with intact bluing on their muzzles to at least begin to form a hypothesis as to whether or not muzzle crowns left that factory blued. __________________ JRW