DWM US Test Model

Roadkill · 02-03-2008, 03:44 PM

Auction Arms http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8325733

more photos at link

Pete Ebbink · 02-03-2008, 03:52 PM

Gun discussed a few months back :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=7110

Right "ear" of the frame has some odd machining marks...

Roadkill · 02-03-2008, 04:59 PM

Didn't see it, just that perfection is usually not an attribute of 100 year old objects

StarOfTheWest · 02-03-2008, 05:24 PM

Ya, but *some* imperfections are a sign of tampering, and others, not so much.

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2008, 07:07 PM

I am very careful and leery of guns over 90 years old that are brand new looking. And there sure are a lot of really nice Test Lugers, which I have always found odd

Ed

PS: The army taught me not to aim at anything I didn't intend to shoot / kill....

alvin · 02-03-2008, 07:19 PM

It's really hard to find a 85% TE. Either it does not show up, and when it does show up, it's 99%.

Mike B · 02-03-2008, 08:01 PM

Sounds rather high to me, not to mention the locking bolt is stamped in the wrong place. If someone wants to spend $15,500, I have two legit test Eagles they can have with some change coming back.

Mike

alvin · 02-03-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike B
not to mention the locking bolt is stamped in the wrong place

This stamp?

Edward Tinker · 02-03-2008, 08:49 PM

no this one; although the newer data that Dwight and others came up with has shown that the number placement is not as good of an indicator as it used to be felt.

ed

alvin · 02-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Thanks for the explanation.

Just looked up Dwight's database, and page 87 of Luger Story. Both excludes 7110 as a TE..... at least not one of those Bannerman's 780. Luger Story contains a typo saying 770 Bannerman guns, but the total of 6167-96 (28), 6282 (1), 6361-7108 (748), 7147 (1) = 780. Anyway, 7110 is not inside.

7108, currently in Springfield Armory Museum (Luger Story), has partial s/n on the face of the TD level (Dwight).... just like this 7110.

Ron Wood · 02-03-2008, 11:50 PM

Alvin,
Your analysis of the typo in Luger Story is essentially correct (except that the interval of 6167-6196 is 30 pieces, not 28) and if you have a copy of Jan Still's new "Central Powers Pistols" you will find the identical analysis on page 413.
Currently, at least as of 3 January 2004, serial number 7108 was in the possession of a Mr.Henry Richardson as reported on Jan Still's GunBoards forum on that date, and that is the first time it was noted as having the take down numbered on the left side. Prior to that the change in numbering from the right round to the left flat had only been observed on #7138. The reporting of #7108 dropped the change-over down to within the Bannerman purchase. By the way, that is another typo in Luger Story, the Luger in the Springfield Arsenal collection is #7018, not #7108, and it is a mismatch having barrel #6196. Isn't it interesting that the barrel number was included in the Bannerman purchase, yet the frame with that barrel was not?!!

02-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	DWM US Test Model Auction Arms http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=8325733 more photos at link

02-03-2008, 05:24 PM	#4
StarOfTheWest User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: East Texas, CSA Posts: 208 Thanks: 81 Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts	Ya, but some imperfections are a sign of tampering, and others, not so much. __________________ Sorry, I take that back. I have no problem with the horse you rode in on.

02-03-2008, 08:49 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	no this one; although the newer data that Dwight and others came up with has shown that the number placement is not as good of an indicator as it used to be felt. ed Attached Thumbnails

02-03-2008, 11:50 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Alvin, Your analysis of the typo in Luger Story is essentially correct (except that the interval of 6167-6196 is 30 pieces, not 28) and if you have a copy of Jan Still's new "Central Powers Pistols" you will find the identical analysis on page 413. Currently, at least as of 3 January 2004, serial number 7108 was in the possession of a Mr.Henry Richardson as reported on Jan Still's GunBoards forum on that date, and that is the first time it was noted as having the take down numbered on the left side. Prior to that the change in numbering from the right round to the left flat had only been observed on #7138. The reporting of #7108 dropped the change-over down to within the Bannerman purchase. By the way, that is another typo in Luger Story, the Luger in the Springfield Arsenal collection is #7018, not #7108, and it is a mismatch having barrel #6196. Isn't it interesting that the barrel number was included in the Bannerman purchase, yet the frame with that barrel was not?!! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-03-2008, 03:52 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Gun discussed a few months back : http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=7110 Right "ear" of the frame has some odd machining marks...

02-03-2008, 04:59 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Didn't see it, just that perfection is usually not an attribute of 100 year old objects

02-03-2008, 07:07 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I am very careful and leery of guns over 90 years old that are brand new looking. And there sure are a lot of really nice Test Lugers, which I have always found odd Ed PS: The army taught me not to aim at anything I didn't intend to shoot / kill....

02-03-2008, 07:19 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's really hard to find a 85% TE. Either it does not show up, and when it does show up, it's 99%.

02-03-2008, 08:01 PM	#7
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Sounds rather high to me, not to mention the locking bolt is stamped in the wrong place. If someone wants to spend $15,500, I have two legit test Eagles they can have with some change coming back. Mike

02-03-2008, 10:16 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Thanks for the explanation. Just looked up Dwight's database, and page 87 of Luger Story. Both excludes 7110 as a TE..... at least not one of those Bannerman's 780. Luger Story contains a typo saying 770 Bannerman guns, but the total of 6167-96 (28), 6282 (1), 6361-7108 (748), 7147 (1) = 780. Anyway, 7110 is not inside. 7108, currently in Springfield Armory Museum (Luger Story), has partial s/n on the face of the TD level (Dwight).... just like this 7110.