Prvi Hrvatski PiÃ?Â¡tolj (php).

CROLUGER · 09-10-2007, 03:36 PM

This is PHP (PRVI HRVATSKI PIÃ?Â*TOLJ-FIRST CROATIAN PISTOL), it was made during Croatian war (1991-1994) in HS Produkt (ex. IM Ozalj factory). It have locking block like Walther P-38, and few barrel lenght (4,5 and 6 inch). It is made from steel, 15 rounds, 9 mm Luger. After PHP factory made HS95, and 2000, famous HS2000 (SA XD).

Mauser720 · 09-13-2007, 09:55 AM

"The Croatian Service Pistols
By
Jani Kotnik
PHP
The start of Croatian handgun productions began in 1991 with first model PHP (stands for Prvi Hrvatski Pivtolj - First Croatian Pistol) in 9mm Para for use in Croatian military and law enforcement forces. First model was an eclectic mixture between a Walther 38 and a Berreta 92 pistol. The pistol was designed as a large frame, double/single action duty size handgun which utilized a locked barrel with the Walther system of falling block, used also on the Beretta 92 series of pistol. Other features and the appearance were similar to a Walther 38. Open slide design combined with a straight recoiling barrel lent itself to very good accuracy, along with elimination of possible jams of ejected casings. The slide, frame and smaller operating parts were milled out of solid blocks of steel, a procedure which was later dropped in favor of more economically feasible investment casting. Magazines were a problem in the first days and were refined, with a small change in material used in the making process, and the follower was also redesigned. The magazines remain virtually unchanged and to the present day are used in all of the following models of Croatian's pistols. In the early days of production there were 3 models of PHP pistols; standard with barrel length of 125mm (5"), compact, with shortened 100 mm (4") barrel and slide and "target" model with extended 152 mm (6") barrel. Out of those three, most the of production was the standard model, which saw heavy duty use during the war in Croatia in early 1991. Because of the hasty war production, parts of the PHP were prone to breaking, especially the first lots of PHP pistols which were of poor quality."

Branko · 09-30-2007, 08:32 PM

Mnogo Gadan Pistolj...

Edward Tinker · 09-30-2007, 08:45 PM

yeah, what Branko said

CROLUGER · 10-01-2007, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Branko
Mnogo Gadan Pistolj...

"ugly handgun",

It was first Croatian pistol, P-38 hibrid, made in war against Serbs.
Now we have HS (SA XD), one of the best.

Pete Ebbink · 10-01-2007, 12:51 PM

Neal looking pistol, Nickola...thanks for posting your photos.

More info :

http://www.xd-hs2000.com/hsarms/news/smarms_5_01.html

Edward Tinker · 10-01-2007, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CROLUGER
"ugly handgun",

It was first Croatian pistol, P-38 hibrid, made in war against Serbs.
Now we have HS (SA XD), one of the best.

oh, then the opposite of what Branko said

it looks like a souped up P38 to me

09-10-2007, 03:36 PM	#1
CROLUGER User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Croatia. Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Prvi Hrvatski PiÃ?Â¡tolj (php). This is PHP (PRVI HRVATSKI PIÃ?Â*TOLJ-FIRST CROATIAN PISTOL), it was made during Croatian war (1991-1994) in HS Produkt (ex. IM Ozalj factory). It have locking block like Walther P-38, and few barrel lenght (4,5 and 6 inch). It is made from steel, 15 rounds, 9 mm Luger. After PHP factory made HS95, and 2000, famous HS2000 (SA XD). __________________ Luger DWM 1915, Luger BYF 1942, Walther P-38 AC43 & CYQ 1944, Mauser Hsc, Steyr 1909, Frommer Stop 1916, SA XD HS 45, Beretta M34, M70, M72, M950B, 92FS, Browning 1910/22, CZ M-48, CZ PAP M59/66, Winchester 9422M, GLOCK 19.

09-13-2007, 09:55 AM	#2
Mauser720 User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 535 Thanks: 18 Thanked 49 Times in 33 Posts	"The Croatian Service Pistols By Jani Kotnik PHP The start of Croatian handgun productions began in 1991 with first model PHP (stands for Prvi Hrvatski Pivtolj - First Croatian Pistol) in 9mm Para for use in Croatian military and law enforcement forces. First model was an eclectic mixture between a Walther 38 and a Berreta 92 pistol. The pistol was designed as a large frame, double/single action duty size handgun which utilized a locked barrel with the Walther system of falling block, used also on the Beretta 92 series of pistol. Other features and the appearance were similar to a Walther 38. Open slide design combined with a straight recoiling barrel lent itself to very good accuracy, along with elimination of possible jams of ejected casings. The slide, frame and smaller operating parts were milled out of solid blocks of steel, a procedure which was later dropped in favor of more economically feasible investment casting. Magazines were a problem in the first days and were refined, with a small change in material used in the making process, and the follower was also redesigned. The magazines remain virtually unchanged and to the present day are used in all of the following models of Croatian's pistols. In the early days of production there were 3 models of PHP pistols; standard with barrel length of 125mm (5"), compact, with shortened 100 mm (4") barrel and slide and "target" model with extended 152 mm (6") barrel. Out of those three, most the of production was the standard model, which saw heavy duty use during the war in Croatia in early 1991. Because of the hasty war production, parts of the PHP were prone to breaking, especially the first lots of PHP pistols which were of poor quality." __________________ Mauser720 - Ron "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

09-30-2007, 08:45 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	yeah, what Branko said __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-30-2007, 08:32 PM	#3
Branko User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: OREGON/USA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mnogo Gadan Pistolj...

10-01-2007, 12:51 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Neal looking pistol, Nickola...thanks for posting your photos. More info : http://www.xd-hs2000.com/hsarms/news/smarms_5_01.html