For sale - WWI&II German 9mm ammo

08-11-2001, 10:11 PM

I've got four original 16 round cardboard boxes of German 9mm ammo. One box is DWM 1917, the others are 1943 & 1944 dated steelcased ammo.

Lots of pics at link below. I'd like to get $30 per box. Note, 1917 DWM box has only 13 rounds.

Thanks for looking, Ted

Pics of German ammo

Dok · 08-12-2001, 11:43 AM

08-12-2001, 04:12 PM

At recent gun shows in southern CA I have seen much WWII German ammo in 9mm, and the sellers are telling me their supply is almost unlimited. Asking price in original cartons is around $6 per 16 round box. Supplies of 8mm Mauser, however, seem to have dried up.

Dok · 08-13-2001, 10:54 AM

Would this be just for display/collector purposes, or would you consider shooting some of it?

08-13-2001, 01:11 PM

ww2 ammo used powder with corrosive agents that will wither away bore rifling and ANY other surface that is not cleaned meticulously. The old gunpowder is the main reason for failure and replacement of parts(aside from battlefield use and neglect). Todays ammo is non corrosive and as long as you go for a 124gr 9mm you cant go wrong for originality in feel, discharge, accuracy, and (relative) reliability.

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 08-13-2001, 03:46 PM

The problem with corrosive ammo doens't come from the Powder but the primer.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

http://www.vapensmedjan.com

Johnny Peppers · 08-13-2001, 07:55 PM

The actual term "corrosive primer" is a bit misleading. The primer in of itself is not corrosive, but upon firing the primer combustion produced potassium chloride, which like sodium chloride is very hygroscopic. The inside of a gun barrel, especially a cut rifled gun barrel, has many nooks and crannies for these particles to hide out in. As these particles attracted moisture, a brine solution was left in the bore. Just a wipe with an oily rag did not remove all the potassium chloride, and it started doing it's damage. The old timers used water first to flush out the particles of potassium chloride before resorting to their normal bore cleaning procedure.

Black powder is much the same in that it is not actually corrosive, but the combustion of the mixture left a hygroscopic compound in the weapons barrel and the moisture did the damage.

Kyrie · 08-13-2001, 08:28 PM

Hi Folks,

Avoid firing *all* WWII ammunition with steel cases. These cases can rust from the inside out, appear to be perfectly fine on the outside, but be so rotten that the case fails on firing. Which in turn can release very hot, and very high pressure, gas into magazine well where it then blows apart the grips. Think of it as holding a Bakelite hand grenade as it goes off :-(

Best regards,

Kyrie

Dok · 08-13-2001, 09:25 PM

BILL · 08-13-2001, 10:02 PM

08-14-2001, 12:50 PM

Martin, will you please contact me at my e-mail address. I have a couple of questions about the ammo you described, many thanx.....Bob SP.

Bob Egan · 08-14-2001, 11:09 PM

I recall reading years ago to be careful of WW2 9MM ammo, as a lot of it was intended for use in weapons such as the Schmeisser and not the Luger, and so was loaded much "hotter" than the pistol ammo.

08-11-2001, 10:11 PM	#1
Ted in Tallahassee Guest Posts: n/a	For sale - WWI&II German 9mm ammo I've got four original 16 round cardboard boxes of German 9mm ammo. One box is DWM 1917, the others are 1943 & 1944 dated steelcased ammo. Lots of pics at link below. I'd like to get $30 per box. Note, 1917 DWM box has only 13 rounds. Thanks for looking, Ted Pics of German ammo

08-12-2001, 11:43 AM	#2
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Very interesting (EOM)

08-12-2001, 04:12 PM	#3
Martin Guest Posts: n/a	WWII Ammo At recent gun shows in southern CA I have seen much WWII German ammo in 9mm, and the sellers are telling me their supply is almost unlimited. Asking price in original cartons is around $6 per 16 round box. Supplies of 8mm Mauser, however, seem to have dried up.

08-13-2001, 10:54 AM	#4
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: WWII Ammo Would this be just for display/collector purposes, or would you consider shooting some of it?

08-13-2001, 01:11 PM	#5
Rob Regers Guest Posts: n/a	Re:Now you be careful... ww2 ammo used powder with corrosive agents that will wither away bore rifling and ANY other surface that is not cleaned meticulously. The old gunpowder is the main reason for failure and replacement of parts(aside from battlefield use and neglect). Todays ammo is non corrosive and as long as you go for a 124gr 9mm you cant go wrong for originality in feel, discharge, accuracy, and (relative) reliability.

08-13-2001, 03:46 PM	#6
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Little missunderstanding Bob The problem with corrosive ammo doens't come from the Powder but the primer. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan http://www.vapensmedjan.com

08-13-2001, 07:55 PM	#7
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Little missunderstanding Bob The actual term "corrosive primer" is a bit misleading. The primer in of itself is not corrosive, but upon firing the primer combustion produced potassium chloride, which like sodium chloride is very hygroscopic. The inside of a gun barrel, especially a cut rifled gun barrel, has many nooks and crannies for these particles to hide out in. As these particles attracted moisture, a brine solution was left in the bore. Just a wipe with an oily rag did not remove all the potassium chloride, and it started doing it's damage. The old timers used water first to flush out the particles of potassium chloride before resorting to their normal bore cleaning procedure. Black powder is much the same in that it is not actually corrosive, but the combustion of the mixture left a hygroscopic compound in the weapons barrel and the moisture did the damage.

08-13-2001, 08:28 PM	#8
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re:Now you be careful... Hi Folks, Avoid firing all WWII ammunition with steel cases. These cases can rust from the inside out, appear to be perfectly fine on the outside, but be so rotten that the case fails on firing. Which in turn can release very hot, and very high pressure, gas into magazine well where it then blows apart the grips. Think of it as holding a Bakelite hand grenade as it goes off :-( Best regards, Kyrie

08-13-2001, 09:25 PM	#9
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	WOW Now there's an image!!! (EOM)

08-13-2001, 10:02 PM	#10
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yeah, I hate when that happens!! (EOM)

08-14-2001, 12:50 PM	#11
Bob Spitzer Guest Posts: n/a	Re: WWII Ammo Martin, will you please contact me at my e-mail address. I have a couple of questions about the ammo you described, many thanx.....Bob SP.

08-14-2001, 11:09 PM	#12
Bob Egan User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: WWII Ammo I recall reading years ago to be careful of WW2 9MM ammo, as a lot of it was intended for use in weapons such as the Schmeisser and not the Luger, and so was loaded much "hotter" than the pistol ammo.