Interesting tool with Swastica

Edward Tinker · 03-30-2006, 08:36 PM

Harder to sell on e-bay because of their polices, is there any interest here?

I actually think it is pre-war and not a nazi item...

I think it is for a lathe?

ed

Ron Smith · 03-30-2006, 10:52 PM

Ed, It is a wood gouge for shaping wood on a lathe. Or it's a shiv made by a Klaner.

ViggoG · 03-31-2006, 12:49 AM

For the illucidation of the Younger Members,

It certainly is not a Swastica as I have seen these emblems on machinery and tools that were struck before Adolf Schicklegruber was born, way back in the middle "1880's".

I have several different sizes of them which were used fitting Babbitt and Bronze Half shell bearings for Naval and Commercial Sea Going Vessels From Aircraft Carriers to Harbor Tugs. My father was for a time a ship board Machinest and Turbine Fitter in NNS&DDCo. where he worked on many of the largest Aircraft Carriers and Battle Wagons of the WW-2 Era.
They are still quite frequently used in repairing surviving line shaft equipment and a variety of shipboard applications where there is an atmosphere that is conducive to rusting ans locking up of higher refined bearings.

OH, Yes, You want to know what it really is !
Its called a Bearing Scraper and is used with the two sharp edges down, scraping side to side in a rocking motion, to remove very small amounts of metal from the pressure contact points between the bearing and shaft to provide a smooth constant thickness oil film between the bearing shell and the shaft.

A very touchy and precision job that requires much skill and experience to do properly.
There are few today who retain the knowledge gained from the Old Timers.
These tools were manufactured in the south central US to supply tooling for the Mississippi Tugs and Barges and the remaining Paddle Boats that remain in use.

I still use them to refit my pre WW-2 craftsman Lathe bearings as needed.

Ed was right and Half right because I do use it on my lathe in a sort of way, how did you know, Ed. ???

ViggoG

Edward Tinker · 03-31-2006, 12:52 AM

My grandfather owned it, he had a "ton" of stuff and a huge lathe!

Ed

ViggoG · 03-31-2006, 01:21 AM

Bet that Lathe Has Babbitt or Bronze adjustable Half shell bearings.
Was Grampa a Machinest, Machine Maintenance Mechanic or such ????
ViggoG

Edward Tinker · 03-31-2006, 01:30 AM

He was always handy, was kinda a wannabee machinest I think

He was always a tool gatherer, and every now and then he would see a good deal and buy it. He had one of those huge drill presses, the big lathe and all the tools that go with it. Welding, etc. all in the basement.

He worked on old gas engines, single cylender ones, I have one of them in the garage as I "speak".

ed

lugerholsterrepair · 03-31-2006, 01:45 AM

A good luck symbol from the turn of the Century. Purloined and sadly abused by the evil but stylish Nazi's. Also used Centuries before by the Anazazi or Hopi Clan North American Indians as a religious symbol, complicated but indicates their origin from the center of the earth and travels to the four corners of the World. I believe the Hopi Indians symbol was reversed though....Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 03-31-2006, 11:17 AM

Viggo ! Good to hear from you on the forum... seems like it has been a long time. How is your health?

Ron Smith · 03-31-2006, 11:25 AM

Viggo,

I thought that it looked familiar, but was thinking wood gouge. Now I recall seeing these in the machinery repair shop on my last ship.

Ron

ViggoG · 04-01-2006, 12:32 AM

Ron,

You are quite correct about them being in the ships repair shop.
However if a ship ever had a long high speed run as in Torpedo Alley they may have kept few of them handy in the shaft alley for a fast scraping of a hot box. When they had a chance to run with one screw down.
Viggo

03-30-2006, 08:36 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	Interesting tool with Swastica Harder to sell on e-bay because of their polices, is there any interest here? I actually think it is pre-war and not a nazi item... I think it is for a lathe? ed

03-30-2006, 10:52 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, It is a wood gouge for shaping wood on a lathe. Or it's a shiv made by a Klaner. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-31-2006, 12:52 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	My grandfather owned it, he had a "ton" of stuff and a huge lathe! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-31-2006, 01:45 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	A good luck symbol from the turn of the Century. Purloined and sadly abused by the evil but stylish Nazi's. Also used Centuries before by the Anazazi or Hopi Clan North American Indians as a religious symbol, complicated but indicates their origin from the center of the earth and travels to the four corners of the World. I believe the Hopi Indians symbol was reversed though....Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-31-2006, 11:17 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Viggo ! Good to hear from you on the forum... seems like it has been a long time. How is your health? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-31-2006, 12:49 AM	#3
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	For the illucidation of the Younger Members, It certainly is not a Swastica as I have seen these emblems on machinery and tools that were struck before Adolf Schicklegruber was born, way back in the middle "1880's". I have several different sizes of them which were used fitting Babbitt and Bronze Half shell bearings for Naval and Commercial Sea Going Vessels From Aircraft Carriers to Harbor Tugs. My father was for a time a ship board Machinest and Turbine Fitter in NNS&DDCo. where he worked on many of the largest Aircraft Carriers and Battle Wagons of the WW-2 Era. They are still quite frequently used in repairing surviving line shaft equipment and a variety of shipboard applications where there is an atmosphere that is conducive to rusting ans locking up of higher refined bearings. OH, Yes, You want to know what it really is ! Its called a Bearing Scraper and is used with the two sharp edges down, scraping side to side in a rocking motion, to remove very small amounts of metal from the pressure contact points between the bearing and shaft to provide a smooth constant thickness oil film between the bearing shell and the shaft. A very touchy and precision job that requires much skill and experience to do properly. There are few today who retain the knowledge gained from the Old Timers. These tools were manufactured in the south central US to supply tooling for the Mississippi Tugs and Barges and the remaining Paddle Boats that remain in use. I still use them to refit my pre WW-2 craftsman Lathe bearings as needed. Ed was right and Half right because I do use it on my lathe in a sort of way, how did you know, Ed. ??? ViggoG

03-31-2006, 01:21 AM	#5
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Bet that Lathe Has Babbitt or Bronze adjustable Half shell bearings. Was Grampa a Machinest, Machine Maintenance Mechanic or such ???? ViggoG

03-31-2006, 01:30 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	He was always handy, was kinda a wannabee machinest I think He was always a tool gatherer, and every now and then he would see a good deal and buy it. He had one of those huge drill presses, the big lathe and all the tools that go with it. Welding, etc. all in the basement. He worked on old gas engines, single cylender ones, I have one of them in the garage as I "speak". ed

03-31-2006, 11:25 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Viggo, I thought that it looked familiar, but was thinking wood gouge. Now I recall seeing these in the machinery repair shop on my last ship. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

04-01-2006, 12:32 AM	#10
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ron, You are quite correct about them being in the ships repair shop. However if a ship ever had a long high speed run as in Torpedo Alley they may have kept few of them handy in the shaft alley for a fast scraping of a hot box. When they had a chance to run with one screw down. Viggo