Unit Markings On A Dwm 1917

[SAKIJOE]

I HAVE A 1917 DWM LUGER I JUST PICKED UP. IT IS ALL MATCHING EXCEPT THE MAGAZINE. ON THE GRIP IS MARKED S.F. 46.
CAN ANYONE HELP IN IDENTIFY THESE MARKINGS
THANKS

[Don M]

Robert,

The grip strap mark is for the Schutzpolizei (municipal police) of the Frankfurt am Oder district of the Prussian province of Brandenburg, weapon number 46.

I would be very interested in knowing the toggle logo, serial number and presence/absence of sear or mag safeties for this pistol to add to my database of police unit marks. Also, is there any evidence of an earlier mark that may have been ground off, x'd or lined out?

[SAKIJOE]

HI THANK YOU FOR YOUR FAST REPLY!!!
ON THE 1917 DWM F.S. 46 LUGER, THE SERIAL NUMBER IS 6032B.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF ANY OTHER MARKINGS GROUND ONLY THE S.F. 46 THERE IS NO SEAR OR MAGAZINE SAFETIES.
THE TOGGLE LOGO HAS THE DWM..
AND FOR YOUR HELP HERE IS A OTHER POLICE LUGER.
1920 1920 DWM
ON THE FRAME IS THREE UNIT MARKINGS!!!!
1. SCHUPO ERLANGEN FIRST PRECINCT, 2ND GRUPP. PISTOL 23
2. SCHUPO STUTTGART 2nd DISTRICT 11th PRECINCT WATCH C WEAPON 23
3.SCHUPO ERLANGEN FIRST PRECINCT WEAPON 23
SERIAL NUMBER4605n
NO SEAR OR MAG. SAFETIES.
THE FIRST TWO HAVE BEEN XXX OUT.
THE LAST IS STAMPED S.E.I. 23.
HAS THE WEIMER TOOL UNMARKED
THE HOLSTER IS MARKED STEINMETZ BRESLAU BROWN IN COLOR.
BOTH MAGS ARE WOOD BOTTOM. NOT MATCHING, BUT STAMPED 126 ON THE SIDE.
A RARE LUGER THAT HAD ALOT OF HISTORY!!
THANKS
BOB

[Don M]

Bob,

I am fascinated with the markings on s/n 4605n! As you have observed, pistols with multiple unit marks have a lot of history. Is it possible for you to post a good photo of these marks? If not, I would appreciate a detailed description of them including location (frame or grip strap?; if frame, which side and where?) and exact marks including upper/lower case letters and all periods. Thanks very much.

[SAKIJOE]

HELLO DON, OK I WILL ADD PICTUERS FOR YOU. BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THIS WEEKEND OK. MY DAUGHTER TAKES THE PICTUERS AND ADDS THEM TO THE LUGERFORUM. I WAS TOLD THAT ONLY 5000 LUGERS WERE DATED 1920/1920. AND THE SIDE PLATE IS MARKED ONLY WITH A 42 A MAUSER REPLACEMENT., I SAID THAT IT WAS ALL MATCHING. I THINK WITHOUT THE SEAR , IT WAS USED BY THE ARMY IN WW11. I BOUGHT IT FROM THE VET"S DAUGHTER, HE HAD THE 1920/1920 LUGER AND TWO P-38. BOB

[Edward Tinker]

Bob, just so you are aware, it is considered YELLING when you use ALL CAPS


Ed

[Don M]

Bob, I'll look forward to seeing them. Thanks.

[SAKIJOE]

Hi Don. Sorry I forgot about the pictuers!!!!! Don go to Gunboards.com under 1920-1933 Unit Markings, Weimar Lugers. I had in the past posted the pictuers for this Luger. And you will see my 1920/1920 police luger!! Let me know how you like them...........................
bob

[Pete Ebbink]

Link :

http://www.gunboards.com/luger/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=703

[Don M]

Pete, thanks for looking up the link.

Bob,

I'm going to offer a somewhat different interpretation of these marks. I'm posting an edited version of your earlier photo:



First, let me say that I think that all three marks are from the same unit, despite the differences. While it is possible that S.S. means Schutzpolizei Schneidem�¼hl, it strains credibility that a pistol that had been transferred from there to Erfurt would have retained the same weapon number. That said, here goes!

S.S.2.II.6.23. - I believe this was the first mark applied and that it was stamped before the Schupo marking orders were issued in April 1922. It may even have been stamped before the Schupo came into existence in 1920. If so, it could be a mark for the Sicherheitspolizei (Sipo). A variety of marking schemes was in use during this time.

S.E.I.2.23. - This was the second mark applied. The first was canceled and this was stamped above it. This mark conforms to the 1922 Schupo marking order: S.E. represents the Schupo in the administrative district of Erfurt; I indicates the specific garrison in that district, probably the city of Erfurt, itself; 2 represents the particular squad; and 23 is the weapon number.

S.E.I.23. - Sometime between 1922 and the issue in February 1932 of the marking instructions in Manual 40a, the Schupo simplified their marking format. The new format included only the S. for Schupo, an abbreviation for the administrative district, a Roman numeral to represent the particular garrison (city) and the weapon number. To conform to the new rules, the second mark was canceled and this one applied to the right of the first two. It would have been easier to simply cross out the 2. in the second mark but perhaps the armorer didn't like the placement of that mark.

I hope this helps.

[SAKIJOE]

Hi Don,
Thank you for taking the time to tell me about the markings on the 1920/1920 police luger. Sure had a lot of history . Don you were right, The c- is a 6.
Thanks Again
Bob

[Don M]

I edited my post to change the c to 6.

[Dwight Gruber]

Don,

Gotta say, I'm really impressed.

--Dwight

[Don M]

I love these multiple marks!