Do 30's have more fun?

DougT · 11-30-2004, 02:21 PM

I took my 30 caliber Ã¢??23 Commercial out the other day to shoot for the first time. I bought it from Ralph Shattuck, and it is a Ã¢??clean one ownerÃ¢?Â type with very low mileage. I suspected that it would function wellÃ¢??and it did. I was using GT reworked magazines and Winchester factory ammo. The gun operated flawlessly during the entire shooting sessionÃ¢??which was over a hundred rounds. This confirmed my thinking that the 30Ã¢??s have an easier time chambering their ammo because the bottlenecked cartridge has more Ã¢??wiggle roomÃ¢?Â to get into the chamber. So my survey question to the membership is this: in your experience, have your 30 caliber Lugers functioned more reliably than your 9mm Lugers?
DougT

Roadkill · 11-30-2004, 03:29 PM

Interesting that the first two successful semi auto pistols (Broomhandle and Luger) were designed around the bottle necked cartridge.

rk

unspellable · 12-01-2004, 08:08 AM

It's my impression that the 7.65 mm will feed better. Used to shoot cast semi-wadcutters and full wadcutters in mine with no problems. OAL length is important just as with the 9 mm.

Dwight Gruber · 12-01-2004, 10:22 AM

The problems I have had with .30 Lugers is insufficiently powerful ammunition to properly operate the action. Ammunition availability and cost are problems as well.

I shoot 200 or so rounds a month 9mm with no function problem whatsoever.

So I would say that my 9mm function much more reliably than the .30 I have shot.

--Dwight

kidvett · 12-01-2004, 10:41 AM

Dwight is right on with the 30 Cal. Factory ammo is tough to find & some are underpowered ( Fiocchi brand ) Up here, it's a mess just to find reloading components for it........so far only one bullet available !! ( makes it not so interesting for the reloader...)

Lugers I'm shooting are not collector pistols. I use ``built shooter type guns``...9mm is fun, powerfull but I've more jams with it than the 7.65mm.

My favorite is 30 Cal in spite of the reloading issue. Pistol is shooting 1 1/2 in @ 100 yds.......Ragged hole at 25 yds....That is more than enough for me !! In spite of various testing sessions, I was not able to get that kind of accuracy with the 9mm........

2 important things for shooting: powerfull ammo & good mags.

MARK

unspellable · 12-01-2004, 06:18 PM

It's true that 7.65 Parabellum factory ammo is often underloaded. But that's the fault of SAAMI, the factories, etc., and not inherent in the cartridge. Given a proper load and recoil spring the 7.65 will feed wadcutters and I'd be surprised if that would work with a 9 mm.

G.T. · 12-01-2004, 06:47 PM

Back when I was a knothead kid... way back (10, 11 years old)... all I shot was a .30 cal art. ... I shot many, many hundreds of round thru it, if not thousands... (never kept track, and dad was suppling the ammo!) NEVER, EVER malfunctioned! Only had the clip it came with... It was all Win. 93 grain ball... I cried when that gun went away! Pretty hard to convince me that the 9's are more, or as, reliable as the .30's.... Best to all! til...later....GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

Johnny C. Kitchens · 12-01-2004, 10:21 PM

Once a 9mm has one of G.T.'s magazines, they'll work...

Lugerdoc · 12-02-2004, 09:54 AM

Doug, I got a chuckle out of your used car comparison of your luger particularily since you got it from Ralph. With his red coat, in his younger days, I would have sworn that Ralph was a former car salesman. TH

Ron Smith · 12-02-2004, 10:28 AM

I hand load using the 100gr. Hornady XTP .312 bullets. They have worked great in all of the .30s
I have tried them in. I use 4.2 gr of Unique. Due to the slightly oversized bullet, and with the reduced charge. The chamber pressure is increased a bit. Which I believe inhances the function. Have never had a problem, and is a very accurate load. And pretty devistating on a can.
I am not recommending this load to anyone. Merely stating my personal preference and experience. So use it at your own risk. If you should choose to.

Sieger · 01-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Hi All:

Strange isn't it. The commercial 7.65mm is loaded too cold and the commercial 9mm is loaded too hot!!

If you load a properly designed bullet, at the proper AOL, I've found the 9mm to be very reliable (1,000 rounds fired without a malfunction).

The thing with the 7.65mm is the lack of availability of a proper bullet selection (weight, diameter, etc.)

Sieger

11-30-2004, 02:21 PM	#1
DougT User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Do 30's have more fun? I took my 30 caliber Ã¢??23 Commercial out the other day to shoot for the first time. I bought it from Ralph Shattuck, and it is a Ã¢??clean one ownerÃ¢?Â type with very low mileage. I suspected that it would function wellÃ¢??and it did. I was using GT reworked magazines and Winchester factory ammo. The gun operated flawlessly during the entire shooting sessionÃ¢??which was over a hundred rounds. This confirmed my thinking that the 30Ã¢??s have an easier time chambering their ammo because the bottlenecked cartridge has more Ã¢??wiggle roomÃ¢?Â to get into the chamber. So my survey question to the membership is this: in your experience, have your 30 caliber Lugers functioned more reliably than your 9mm Lugers? DougT

12-01-2004, 10:21 PM	#8
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Once a 9mm has one of G.T.'s magazines, they'll work... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-02-2004, 09:54 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Doug, I got a chuckle out of your used car comparison of your luger particularily since you got it from Ralph. With his red coat, in his younger days, I would have sworn that Ralph was a former car salesman. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-02-2004, 10:28 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I hand load using the 100gr. Hornady XTP .312 bullets. They have worked great in all of the .30s I have tried them in. I use 4.2 gr of Unique. Due to the slightly oversized bullet, and with the reduced charge. The chamber pressure is increased a bit. Which I believe inhances the function. Have never had a problem, and is a very accurate load. And pretty devistating on a can. I am not recommending this load to anyone. Merely stating my personal preference and experience. So use it at your own risk. If you should choose to. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-23-2005, 04:48 PM	#11
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	7.65mm vs. 9mm Hi All: Strange isn't it. The commercial 7.65mm is loaded too cold and the commercial 9mm is loaded too hot!! If you load a properly designed bullet, at the proper AOL, I've found the 9mm to be very reliable (1,000 rounds fired without a malfunction). The thing with the 7.65mm is the lack of availability of a proper bullet selection (weight, diameter, etc.) Sieger

11-30-2004, 03:29 PM	#2
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Interesting that the first two successful semi auto pistols (Broomhandle and Luger) were designed around the bottle necked cartridge. rk

12-01-2004, 08:08 AM	#3
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	It's my impression that the 7.65 mm will feed better. Used to shoot cast semi-wadcutters and full wadcutters in mine with no problems. OAL length is important just as with the 9 mm.

12-01-2004, 10:22 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	The problems I have had with .30 Lugers is insufficiently powerful ammunition to properly operate the action. Ammunition availability and cost are problems as well. I shoot 200 or so rounds a month 9mm with no function problem whatsoever. So I would say that my 9mm function much more reliably than the .30 I have shot. --Dwight

12-01-2004, 10:41 AM	#5
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Dwight is right on with the 30 Cal. Factory ammo is tough to find & some are underpowered ( Fiocchi brand ) Up here, it's a mess just to find reloading components for it........so far only one bullet available !! ( makes it not so interesting for the reloader...) Lugers I'm shooting are not collector pistols. I use ``built shooter type guns``...9mm is fun, powerfull but I've more jams with it than the 7.65mm. My favorite is 30 Cal in spite of the reloading issue. Pistol is shooting 1 1/2 in @ 100 yds.......Ragged hole at 25 yds....That is more than enough for me !! In spite of various testing sessions, I was not able to get that kind of accuracy with the 9mm........ 2 important things for shooting: powerfull ammo & good mags. MARK

12-01-2004, 06:18 PM	#6
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	It's true that 7.65 Parabellum factory ammo is often underloaded. But that's the fault of SAAMI, the factories, etc., and not inherent in the cartridge. Given a proper load and recoil spring the 7.65 will feed wadcutters and I'd be surprised if that would work with a 9 mm.

12-01-2004, 06:47 PM	#7
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Back when I was a knothead kid... way back (10, 11 years old)... all I shot was a .30 cal art. ... I shot many, many hundreds of round thru it, if not thousands... (never kept track, and dad was suppling the ammo!) NEVER, EVER malfunctioned! Only had the clip it came with... It was all Win. 93 grain ball... I cried when that gun went away! Pretty hard to convince me that the 9's are more, or as, reliable as the .30's.... Best to all! til...later....GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />