Grips on a 1938.

Stewman · 07-01-2017, 03:28 AM

Just joined the luger forum. And have a question, I have an all matching numbers luger. Someone carved there initials in the one grip panel, should I leave it alone or have the grip repaired?

4 Scale · 07-01-2017, 07:59 AM

Your grip also appears to be missing a chip right under the safety lever (very common).

IMO the answer to your question is personal preference. Generally, alterations to original condition devalue a collectible Luger. So the question becomes do you alter it further to remove the first alteration? Repairing these grips likely won't increase the value beyond the cost of the repair, if that.

On collectibles I tend to leave them as acquired, while modifying shooters to cosmetic taste. YMMV.

kurusu · 07-01-2017, 08:12 AM

Is the grip numbered to the pistol?
If so consider a good repair or doing nothing. If not change it if you feel like it.

DonVoigt · 07-01-2017, 10:36 AM

Re-cutting the checkering may make the initials less visible, but you can't put back the missing wood.

I'd probably get the chip fixed and let Jim Solomon do a little improvement to the checkering; but then depending on what it is and the rest looks like- I might just leave it alone.

What does the other side look like?

This is going to be one of those "your pistol, your call" situations, JMHO.

Jim Solomon · 07-01-2017, 01:05 PM

It is hard to tell from the photo, but it may be that the letters are carved shallow enough so that a redoing of the checkering can almost eliminate the appears of the initials. The chip at the safety can be nicely repaired.
Jim

Stewman · 07-02-2017, 11:17 AM

It's pretty deep at one point there is actually a whole. The grips are numbered underneath and match the last two of the serial number. I git a set of after market wood grips for now. Found someone who said they can fix the grips.

guns3545 · 07-02-2017, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewman

It's pretty deep at one point there is actually a whole. The grips are numbered underneath and match the last two of the serial number. I git a set of after market wood grips for now. Found someone who said they can fix the grips.

Stewart,

I've read your original post and the replies.

I can't find anything that says what you want to accomplish here.

You seem to have an all matching, including grips,1938 Model P.08 with a non-matching, non-period correct magazine. It has a value. Do you want to increase it?? Maintain it?? Reduce it?? Make it look prettier??

Correcting the million dollar chip in the grip panel is acceptable maintenance although a purist might disagree.

IMVHO, re-checkering the grip to remove the initials destroys the collectibility of the gun. You may as well have the gun refinished professionally to get the "just shipped from the factory" look because even to casual observer, it will be clear that these grips do not match the wear patterns exhibited by the gun so they have been messed with.

As the gun exists today, it is collectible. It has a value based on its condition. The non-matching magazine reduces value but only compared to an equivalent gun with a matching magazine. The initials do not. They are probably those of the GI who liberated the piece and brought it home.

Doing anything to those grips with the possible exception of repairing the chip ( Personally, I would leave it alone), will reduce the collectible value of the piece.

Again JMVHO. Its your gun. Do whatever you wish to accomplish whatever you wish to accomplish.

John

Thor · 07-02-2017, 08:00 PM

Hugh Clark can fix your grips. What he and Brian Powley did on this 1900 AE Luger I restored.

ithacaartist · 07-03-2017, 02:50 PM

Your grips appear to be within the range of potential effective improvement. I have re-checkered several pairs that probably had even less "meat" to work with. One pair had had all the diamonds removed and the terrible beginnings of a new pattern. Those are in the first and third pics. Another set had very deep initials but allowed reasonable results nonetheless. Second and fourth pics. One grip scale revealed very handsome grain character when completed.

In the case of a 70's Mauser (or one of the Houston stainless examples from the 90's), the original grips are usually noticeably thicker than a you'd find on an original Parabellum. The Swiss style versions of the Mausers were made with a pattern that is annoyingly coarse, and it's best for shooting comfort to remove it entirely and reestablish a new, finer pattern which is easier on the hands. And since the thickness is somewhat reduced by the process, it will be much more friendly to use.

sheepherder · 07-03-2017, 04:39 PM

I would add my vote to the re-checker/repair option. I consider grips to be 'consumables', parts that are expected to wear and be repaired/replaced in the normal course of events. That the originals can be salvaged is a big bonus.

07-01-2017, 03:28 AM	#1
Stewman User Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 47 Times in 5 Posts	Grips on a 1938. Just joined the luger forum. And have a question, I have an all matching numbers luger. Someone carved there initials in the one grip panel, should I leave it alone or have the grip repaired? Attached Thumbnails

07-01-2017, 10:36 AM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Re-cutting the checkering may make the initials less visible, but you can't put back the missing wood. I'd probably get the chip fixed and let Jim Solomon do a little improvement to the checkering; but then depending on what it is and the rest looks like- I might just leave it alone. What does the other side look like? This is going to be one of those "your pistol, your call" situations, JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Jim Solomon Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 193 Thanks: 695 Thanked 173 Times in 66 Posts	It is hard to tell from the photo, but it may be that the letters are carved shallow enough so that a redoing of the checkering can almost eliminate the appears of the initials. The chip at the safety can be nicely repaired. Jim __________________ Jim Solomon dent2@frontiernet.net

07-02-2017, 08:00 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Hugh Clark can fix your grips. What he and Brian Powley did on this 1900 AE Luger I restored. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-03-2017, 02:50 PM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,288 Thanks: 7,035 Thanked 2,482 Times in 1,323 Posts	Your grips appear to be within the range of potential effective improvement. I have re-checkered several pairs that probably had even less "meat" to work with. One pair had had all the diamonds removed and the terrible beginnings of a new pattern. Those are in the first and third pics. Another set had very deep initials but allowed reasonable results nonetheless. Second and fourth pics. One grip scale revealed very handsome grain character when completed. In the case of a 70's Mauser (or one of the Houston stainless examples from the 90's), the original grips are usually noticeably thicker than a you'd find on an original Parabellum. The Swiss style versions of the Mausers were made with a pattern that is annoyingly coarse, and it's best for shooting comfort to remove it entirely and reestablish a new, finer pattern which is easier on the hands. And since the thickness is somewhat reduced by the process, it will be much more friendly to use. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

07-01-2017, 07:59 AM	#2
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	Your grip also appears to be missing a chip right under the safety lever (very common). IMO the answer to your question is personal preference. Generally, alterations to original condition devalue a collectible Luger. So the question becomes do you alter it further to remove the first alteration? Repairing these grips likely won't increase the value beyond the cost of the repair, if that. On collectibles I tend to leave them as acquired, while modifying shooters to cosmetic taste. YMMV.

07-01-2017, 08:12 AM	#3
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 929 Times in 509 Posts	Is the grip numbered to the pistol? If so consider a good repair or doing nothing. If not change it if you feel like it.

07-02-2017, 11:17 AM	#6
Stewman User Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 47 Times in 5 Posts	It's pretty deep at one point there is actually a whole. The grips are numbered underneath and match the last two of the serial number. I git a set of after market wood grips for now. Found someone who said they can fix the grips.

07-03-2017, 04:39 PM	#10
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I would add my vote to the re-checker/repair option. I consider grips to be 'consumables', parts that are expected to wear and be repaired/replaced in the normal course of events. That the originals can be salvaged is a big bonus. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...