Swiss luger on auctionarms

Tom Whiteman · 12-30-2005, 07:36 PM

I'm sure someone out there checked out this luger. Any thoughts?

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7156309

Dwight Gruber · 12-30-2005, 08:41 PM

Ron Wood might check in on this, but I'd expect the barrel proofs on a c/BUG proofed gun with its original finish to be pretty heavily haloed.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 12-30-2005, 09:40 PM

It is hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like there may be light halos around the proofs and overall the gun looks pretty legit. The appearance of the proofs don't "bug" me, but that seems like an awfully high serial number to still have BUG proofs and I would expect it to have a short frame/receiver. Kind of an interesting gun. Wish I was rich, I would buy it just to check it out.

Dwight Gruber · 12-31-2005, 12:03 AM

I have c/BUG proofs recorded until around 52500, lazy c/N proofs beginning to intermix around 51000 (to keep everybody in the loop, the gun under discussion is 37728). Hadn't noticed the long frame, thanks for pointing it out...

--Dwight

David Jackson · 01-02-2006, 02:17 AM

A general question on Swiss Lugers; and some other early guns too, for that matter.

I have been told that the Swiss liked to keep their guns in top condition and so had them refinished from time to time. I have heard the English gentry did the same thing. I guess what that means in the real world is that some early Swiss Lugers and some early guns which were in England (C96s and the like) may have been refinished a long time ago. That may account for the missing halo on some of these early guns.

The refinishing process used did not involve total immersion in a vat and so the muzzle end might still be bright and the interior of the gun might still be white.

That's just what someone told me once and I eagerly await edification by the experts!

Thanks in advance.

David Jackson

drbuster · 01-02-2006, 01:22 PM

David, I ran this by Mike Krause, who I consider a Swiss expert, and he agrees totally with what you said. It is not unusual to see refinished Swiss Lugers. They are usually done well and are often proofed with the Geneva Cross to indicate such, but not always.

12-30-2005, 07:36 PM	#1
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	Swiss luger on auctionarms I'm sure someone out there checked out this luger. Any thoughts? http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7156309

12-30-2005, 09:40 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,989 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	It is hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like there may be light halos around the proofs and overall the gun looks pretty legit. The appearance of the proofs don't "bug" me, but that seems like an awfully high serial number to still have BUG proofs and I would expect it to have a short frame/receiver. Kind of an interesting gun. Wish I was rich, I would buy it just to check it out. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-02-2006, 02:17 AM	#5
David Jackson User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Magalia, California Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A general question on Swiss Lugers; and some other early guns too, for that matter. I have been told that the Swiss liked to keep their guns in top condition and so had them refinished from time to time. I have heard the English gentry did the same thing. I guess what that means in the real world is that some early Swiss Lugers and some early guns which were in England (C96s and the like) may have been refinished a long time ago. That may account for the missing halo on some of these early guns. The refinishing process used did not involve total immersion in a vat and so the muzzle end might still be bright and the interior of the gun might still be white. That's just what someone told me once and I eagerly await edification by the experts! Thanks in advance. David Jackson __________________ Sincerely; David Jackson

12-30-2005, 08:41 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Ron Wood might check in on this, but I'd expect the barrel proofs on a c/BUG proofed gun with its original finish to be pretty heavily haloed. --Dwight

12-31-2005, 12:03 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	I have c/BUG proofs recorded until around 52500, lazy c/N proofs beginning to intermix around 51000 (to keep everybody in the loop, the gun under discussion is 37728). Hadn't noticed the long frame, thanks for pointing it out... --Dwight

01-02-2006, 01:22 PM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	David, I ran this by Mike Krause, who I consider a Swiss expert, and he agrees totally with what you said. It is not unusual to see refinished Swiss Lugers. They are usually done well and are often proofed with the Geneva Cross to indicate such, but not always.