Installation of retaining pins...

G.T. · 10-12-2010, 11:44 PM

Hello to all, I've been working on some fixtures and tooling to make it easier to install new magazine bottoms, and most importantly the retaining pins, that hold them in place... I figured out a long time ago, that when they were originally assembled, they drilled the magazine shell and wooden magazine bottom in one shot, and pressed the pin home at the same time.. (not Mauser alum.??) and as a result, no two bottoms will interchange exactly, just because of drill wander, as well as inaccurate placement and small variences, which probably changed from batch to batch. So after a lot of trial and error,...

... I now have the ability to install or swap out bottoms, and re-pin with absolutely no damage or distortion to the retaining pin hole on either side of the tube... All who have dabbled in this black area of, "Mess'en around with mags!" has ruined their share of them..

....Me included.. So, before you make that round hole oblong on that minty mag shell with the busted bottom... send it to me.. For a relatively small charge, I'll do it right...

... Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

lfid · 10-13-2010, 01:06 AM

GT ,

cool !!! I will look thru my magazine collection for those that can benefit

do you also have the pins and tooling for replacing the alum / plastic bottoms on the extruded type ? including the original type swage to the end of the pins ?

thanks
Bill

Edward Tinker · 10-13-2010, 01:12 AM

Boy Bill, that is the ones I hate to mess with!

the others I do okay, not as good as GT, but ok

Ed

G.T. · 10-13-2010, 03:51 AM

Hi Bill & Ed & all... Yes, I've got the "fxo" type down pretty good also, with correct fixtures and tooling to do correctly... It doesn't look too tough, but it, the rivet, was kinda hard to reverse engineer, as no drawings are around, at least that I've found??... Thor is bluing up a bunch of them, that I made, as we speak!

... The "Bakelite" black plastic bottoms are somewhat easier, as they barely up set the flared ends of the rivet.. But the aluminum bottoms are like a can of worms, as in, "once you open up a can of worms, it takes a bigger can to put them back in again?" So it is with the rivets for the aluminum bottoms.. They are press set so hard, that the setting tool, literaly bends the rivet, and presses the ears of the mag bottom up against the mag shell... The only solution when replacing them onto another tube, is to use a shorter rivet... and set it hard also.. I'm having some of them blued also... Hopefully in the very near future, I'll be able to address any type of mag repair necessary to achive a quality unit... Straightening them is getting a bit better as my experience grows

... best to all, til....lat'r...GT

Lugerdoc · 10-13-2010, 10:16 AM

I've changed a few mag bottoms myself over the years, but GT is the best at it. TH

lfid · 10-13-2010, 12:19 PM

GT has 100% perfect work / materials for the ones he has worked for me

thanks GT for what you do !!!

Bill

chromeed · 10-17-2010, 12:37 AM

G T,
I need Mag springs for an American Eagle SS Luger, the spring wire is .4155" dia.
Any Ideas. see my post on (Luger Single Actioning)

G.T. · 10-17-2010, 01:51 AM

Hi Chromeed, the stiffest mag spring around is outt'a the 06/70 Mauser Parabellum magazines... I'd try one of these mags before all else.. and if it works, then we can see if we can find a busted bottomed mag and rob the spring out of it!...

.. we can make it work one way or another.. just have to start somewhere.. best to you, til...lat'r....GT.....

chromeed · 10-17-2010, 08:49 AM

GT,
I have a 1970's Mauser Parabellum 8" barrel but the Magazine has a round spring like a MEC-GAR, the springs I need are flat. The Mauser spring is much stiffer than the American Eagle.

G.T. · 10-18-2010, 03:35 PM

Hi chromeed, about all we can do at this point is try an fxo mag spring.. it may not be stiff enough, but at least try the Mauser mag as it is, just to see if the stiffer spring is the way to go on it... We might be chasing our tail till we know more.. best to you, til...lat'r...GT

Lugerdoc · 10-20-2010, 11:43 AM

I have the Wolff extra power FXO type zig-zag springs available @$15 each postpaid. TH

chromeed · 10-20-2010, 11:32 PM

Tom,
I purchased from Wolf on monday a LUGER 7.65 & 9mm +10% XP SQR MAGZNE SPRNG I think with Shipping I only spent 2 times what you are asking.
Did I order the right one? Well I guess it will be the right one if the Magazine works and no more single action.
Thanks
Ed Reimbold

chromeed · 11-02-2010, 09:21 AM

With the Wolf spring in the magazine I had no more single actioning. I still have the problem of the action not staying open on the last round (how can I fix this)

10-12-2010, 11:44 PM	#1
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Installation of retaining pins... Hello to all, I've been working on some fixtures and tooling to make it easier to install new magazine bottoms, and most importantly the retaining pins, that hold them in place... I figured out a long time ago, that when they were originally assembled, they drilled the magazine shell and wooden magazine bottom in one shot, and pressed the pin home at the same time.. (not Mauser alum.??) and as a result, no two bottoms will interchange exactly, just because of drill wander, as well as inaccurate placement and small variences, which probably changed from batch to batch. So after a lot of trial and error,...... I now have the ability to install or swap out bottoms, and re-pin with absolutely no damage or distortion to the retaining pin hole on either side of the tube... All who have dabbled in this black area of, "Mess'en around with mags!" has ruined their share of them.. ....Me included.. So, before you make that round hole oblong on that minty mag shell with the busted bottom... send it to me.. For a relatively small charge, I'll do it right... ... Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

10-13-2010, 01:12 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Boy Bill, that is the ones I hate to mess with! the others I do okay, not as good as GT, but ok Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-13-2010, 03:51 AM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Mag repair Hi Bill & Ed & all... Yes, I've got the "fxo" type down pretty good also, with correct fixtures and tooling to do correctly... It doesn't look too tough, but it, the rivet, was kinda hard to reverse engineer, as no drawings are around, at least that I've found??... Thor is bluing up a bunch of them, that I made, as we speak!... The "Bakelite" black plastic bottoms are somewhat easier, as they barely up set the flared ends of the rivet.. But the aluminum bottoms are like a can of worms, as in, "once you open up a can of worms, it takes a bigger can to put them back in again?" So it is with the rivets for the aluminum bottoms.. They are press set so hard, that the setting tool, literaly bends the rivet, and presses the ears of the mag bottom up against the mag shell... The only solution when replacing them onto another tube, is to use a shorter rivet... and set it hard also.. I'm having some of them blued also... Hopefully in the very near future, I'll be able to address any type of mag repair necessary to achive a quality unit... Straightening them is getting a bit better as my experience grows ... best to all, til....lat'r...GT

10-13-2010, 10:16 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I've changed a few mag bottoms myself over the years, but GT is the best at it. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-17-2010, 01:51 AM	#8
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	mag spring Hi Chromeed, the stiffest mag spring around is outt'a the 06/70 Mauser Parabellum magazines... I'd try one of these mags before all else.. and if it works, then we can see if we can find a busted bottomed mag and rob the spring out of it!..... we can make it work one way or another.. just have to start somewhere.. best to you, til...lat'r....GT.....

10-13-2010, 01:06 AM	#2
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	GT , cool !!! I will look thru my magazine collection for those that can benefit do you also have the pins and tooling for replacing the alum / plastic bottoms on the extruded type ? including the original type swage to the end of the pins ? thanks Bill

10-13-2010, 12:19 PM	#6
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	GT has 100% perfect work / materials for the ones he has worked for me thanks GT for what you do !!! Bill

10-17-2010, 12:37 AM	#7
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	G T, I need Mag springs for an American Eagle SS Luger, the spring wire is .4155" dia. Any Ideas. see my post on (Luger Single Actioning)

10-17-2010, 08:49 AM	#9
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	GT, I have a 1970's Mauser Parabellum 8" barrel but the Magazine has a round spring like a MEC-GAR, the springs I need are flat. The Mauser spring is much stiffer than the American Eagle.

10-18-2010, 03:35 PM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	springs & things Hi chromeed, about all we can do at this point is try an fxo mag spring.. it may not be stiff enough, but at least try the Mauser mag as it is, just to see if the stiffer spring is the way to go on it... We might be chasing our tail till we know more.. best to you, til...lat'r...GT

10-20-2010, 11:43 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I have the Wolff extra power FXO type zig-zag springs available @$15 each postpaid. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-20-2010, 11:32 PM	#12
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	Tom, I purchased from Wolf on monday a LUGER 7.65 & 9mm +10% XP SQR MAGZNE SPRNG I think with Shipping I only spent 2 times what you are asking. Did I order the right one? Well I guess it will be the right one if the Magazine works and no more single action. Thanks Ed Reimbold

11-02-2010, 09:21 AM	#13
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	With the Wolf spring in the magazine I had no more single actioning. I still have the problem of the action not staying open on the last round (how can I fix this)