Luger Tool Proof Mark id?

Mike K. · 07-05-2007, 03:15 PM

Greetings,
I was hoping someone could tell me this proof mark on this Luger tool and what county it is associated with.
Thanks.

Bluff Lake 36 · 07-05-2007, 05:03 PM

Mike - Its hard to tell from your picture but it looks like a German Crown/gothic letter issued with Erfurt Lugers during World War 1.

Mike K. · 07-05-2007, 05:15 PM

Thanks for the information! Also, were WWI era Luger tools finished with blueing or phosphate?

Pete Ebbink · 07-05-2007, 05:18 PM

Mike,

Could you take another photo. directly head-on on the stamping...

This one seems to have "wings" maybe like an eagle or other bird and a head and beak...the Erufrt TD tools usually have a distinctive Imperial crown with german fraktur letter below it...

I played with your photo...but cannot tell what you have...

drbuster · 07-05-2007, 10:11 PM

Never seen anything like it before but it sure has the Imperial flavor.

Lugerdoc · 07-06-2007, 09:25 AM

To me this "acceptance" marking look like a crude attempt to simulate a Simson Weimar eagle/6. I can't swear that it's bogus, without actually seeing it up close, but it you check it under a microscope and see chisle marks (engraving) you know it's not stamped and fake. TH

Ron Smith · 07-06-2007, 09:58 AM

It looks like an Crown with an R intertwined with another letter or symbol laying sideways.

Mike K. · 07-06-2007, 11:06 AM

Excellent comments. Thanks guys! It does look like a sideways R. I am trying to decide whether to purchase it or not. The seller is asking 80 Euros. The stamp is not one I have observed before as well. Yes, the mark is hard to tell if it was engraved! Too many fakes out there for sure! But, I am thankful for this great forum!

Vlim · 07-06-2007, 11:24 AM

Get the seller to measure the thickness of the tool, just in case. Anything over 2.5mm is suspicious.

07-06-2007, 09:25 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	To me this "acceptance" marking look like a crude attempt to simulate a Simson Weimar eagle/6. I can't swear that it's bogus, without actually seeing it up close, but it you check it under a microscope and see chisle marks (engraving) you know it's not stamped and fake. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-06-2007, 09:58 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	It looks like an Crown with an R intertwined with another letter or symbol laying sideways. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

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07-05-2007, 05:03 PM	#2
Bluff Lake 36 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 80 Times in 39 Posts	Mike - Its hard to tell from your picture but it looks like a German Crown/gothic letter issued with Erfurt Lugers during World War 1.

07-05-2007, 05:15 PM	#3
Mike K. User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks for the information! Also, were WWI era Luger tools finished with blueing or phosphate?

07-05-2007, 05:18 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Mike, Could you take another photo. directly head-on on the stamping... This one seems to have "wings" maybe like an eagle or other bird and a head and beak...the Erufrt TD tools usually have a distinctive Imperial crown with german fraktur letter below it... I played with your photo...but cannot tell what you have...

07-05-2007, 10:11 PM	#5
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Never seen anything like it before but it sure has the Imperial flavor.

07-06-2007, 11:06 AM	#8
Mike K. User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Excellent comments. Thanks guys! It does look like a sideways R. I am trying to decide whether to purchase it or not. The seller is asking 80 Euros. The stamp is not one I have observed before as well. Yes, the mark is hard to tell if it was engraved! Too many fakes out there for sure! But, I am thankful for this great forum!

07-06-2007, 11:24 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,991 Times in 1,205 Posts	Get the seller to measure the thickness of the tool, just in case. Anything over 2.5mm is suspicious.