dkf from Gunbroker

ratdog · 03-28-2003, 11:54 AM

Has anybody had any dealings with a "dkf" from Texas on Gunbroker? Noticed he has a lot of P08 and P38 stuff for sale. Just wondering on the originality of the stuff. Thanks for any replies...................Bruce

Sgt Art · 03-28-2003, 12:11 PM

I've seen his auction and feedback. Seems he took some flack for misrepresenting some "Black Widow" grips as originals when they were really reproductions. He states on some of his auctions the pistols are restored (whatever that means-maybe a really nice job, maybe not). The pictures are not very clear (always a caveat) and his prices are too high. The cheapest one I saw started at $780.00 (for a restoration) and said reserve not met. Sooo, I think that's too much for something I can't clearly see and a guy who's had several negatives for not telling the truth. His responses struck me as combative. In my business we call it a "FAR Texas Deal" meaning Flat-A$$ Reject, El Paso.

ratdog · 03-28-2003, 12:45 PM

I read the feedbacks also, and I agree his responses were harsh. Seeing how I know nothing about these guns I'm an easy mark. I'll still watch for upcoming deals and when I decide to strike, I will probably get ripped-off!!!!

Sgt Art · 03-28-2003, 01:15 PM

I guess you can break it down by two distinct categories, (A) collectible or (B) shooter grade. If you just want a Luger to have one and don't care about collectibility or as an investment, that you can shoot, then go for option (B). You should be able to find one for about $600 +/-. However, if you're looking for a collectible then you get into a whole different area. As you've already seen, those can get right pricey. Most of what I've seen on gunbroker and auctionarms fall into shooter grade with some expections. I personally prefer something I can shoot every once and awhile. Nice thing about Lugers is there are a lot of varieties.

Stu · 03-28-2003, 06:25 PM

I've looked at the guns listed and agree that a) the prices are high and b) the pictures are suspiciously poor. I always pay to much for my guns and even I haven't been tempted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

luger11 · 03-29-2003, 09:04 PM

I have contacted him about the clarity of his pictures and was told ,thats the best he can provide. I personally am on edge about his offerings My two cents.

Thor · 03-29-2003, 09:32 PM

Does he offer a return policy? That is usually my first question.

Stu · 03-30-2003, 12:38 AM

I've been tempted in the past to take a chance and be safeguarded by a return policy, but at anywhere from $60 to $80 a go it gets expensive.

I find it hard to credit that those are the very best pictures that could be taken ?

Sgt Art · 03-30-2003, 03:24 AM

Judging by his feedback and responses, I'd say you play h*** getting him to take anything back even if he said he would. There's too many other sources than that guy. He's got quite an inventory, but so what. It's all over priced from what I've seen.

ejc · 03-30-2003, 10:49 AM

This same question was asked back on 2/21/03.There were some people responded who had dealing with him if you search in general discussions who is this guy?????????????

George Anderson · 03-30-2003, 12:09 PM

Several years ago I bought a tool, LP08 stock and sight adjustment tool from him. All items were represented as original (from a warehouse in Potsdam). All were fakes. I still have the items and the receipts.

ratdog · 03-31-2003, 01:51 PM

Then I guess it's a NO-GO with him, thanks guys....................Bruce

Luke · 03-31-2003, 03:28 PM

ratdog -

Have seen pretty much the same kinds of comments on the other Luger forum from different players.

It is good that we can discuss such items on either forum. Certainly helps relative newcomers such as I.

jamese · 04-01-2003, 08:24 PM

ratdog,
I would be very careful dealing with him. I think his photos are very suspicous also

Big Norm · 04-02-2003, 01:04 AM

Hah-h-h-h-h! The beauty of the forum.
Big Norm

03-28-2003, 11:54 AM	#1
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	dkf from Gunbroker Has anybody had any dealings with a "dkf" from Texas on Gunbroker? Noticed he has a lot of P08 and P38 stuff for sale. Just wondering on the originality of the stuff. Thanks for any replies...................Bruce

03-29-2003, 09:32 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 971 Times in 277 Posts	Does he offer a return policy? That is usually my first question. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

03-31-2003, 03:28 PM	#13
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	ratdog - Have seen pretty much the same kinds of comments on the other Luger forum from different players. It is good that we can discuss such items on either forum. Certainly helps relative newcomers such as I. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

04-01-2003, 08:24 PM	#14
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	ratdog, I would be very careful dealing with him. I think his photos are very suspicous also __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

03-28-2003, 12:11 PM	#2
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've seen his auction and feedback. Seems he took some flack for misrepresenting some "Black Widow" grips as originals when they were really reproductions. He states on some of his auctions the pistols are restored (whatever that means-maybe a really nice job, maybe not). The pictures are not very clear (always a caveat) and his prices are too high. The cheapest one I saw started at $780.00 (for a restoration) and said reserve not met. Sooo, I think that's too much for something I can't clearly see and a guy who's had several negatives for not telling the truth. His responses struck me as combative. In my business we call it a "FAR Texas Deal" meaning Flat-A$$ Reject, El Paso.

03-28-2003, 12:45 PM	#3
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I read the feedbacks also, and I agree his responses were harsh. Seeing how I know nothing about these guns I'm an easy mark. I'll still watch for upcoming deals and when I decide to strike, I will probably get ripped-off!!!!

03-28-2003, 01:15 PM	#4
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess you can break it down by two distinct categories, (A) collectible or (B) shooter grade. If you just want a Luger to have one and don't care about collectibility or as an investment, that you can shoot, then go for option (B). You should be able to find one for about $600 +/-. However, if you're looking for a collectible then you get into a whole different area. As you've already seen, those can get right pricey. Most of what I've seen on gunbroker and auctionarms fall into shooter grade with some expections. I personally prefer something I can shoot every once and awhile. Nice thing about Lugers is there are a lot of varieties.

03-28-2003, 06:25 PM	#5
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 452 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	I've looked at the guns listed and agree that a) the prices are high and b) the pictures are suspiciously poor. I always pay to much for my guns and even I haven't been tempted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

03-29-2003, 09:04 PM	#6
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have contacted him about the clarity of his pictures and was told ,thats the best he can provide. I personally am on edge about his offerings My two cents.

03-30-2003, 12:38 AM	#8
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 452 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	I've been tempted in the past to take a chance and be safeguarded by a return policy, but at anywhere from $60 to $80 a go it gets expensive. I find it hard to credit that those are the very best pictures that could be taken ?

03-30-2003, 03:24 AM	#9
Sgt Art User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SC Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Judging by his feedback and responses, I'd say you play h*** getting him to take anything back even if he said he would. There's too many other sources than that guy. He's got quite an inventory, but so what. It's all over priced from what I've seen.

03-30-2003, 10:49 AM	#10
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This same question was asked back on 2/21/03.There were some people responded who had dealing with him if you search in general discussions who is this guy?????????????

03-30-2003, 12:09 PM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Several years ago I bought a tool, LP08 stock and sight adjustment tool from him. All items were represented as original (from a warehouse in Potsdam). All were fakes. I still have the items and the receipts.

03-31-2003, 01:51 PM	#12
ratdog User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Then I guess it's a NO-GO with him, thanks guys....................Bruce

04-02-2003, 01:04 AM	#15
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Hah-h-h-h-h! The beauty of the forum. Big Norm