Interesting Erfurt Swiss Shooter...

Pete Ebbink · 12-13-2003, 03:29 PM

A Luger Forum member, SwissDaggers, is selling a very interesting Erfurt, Swiss modified luger :

http://www.swissdagger.com/index.html

The luger is in the "luger" menu selection on the web site...

It looks like this pistol was a 1918 Erfurt, most parts match the frame and reciever...but a Swiss proofed barrel has been added.

The unusual aspect of the 1918 Erfurt frame is that it has a grip safety...(which I assume must have been added later...).

Is such a grip safety modification to a luger fairly common-place ? Easy to do...?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2003, 05:42 PM

I haven't seen a grip safety modification, but I have only been serious about collecting / specializing as long as you Pete!

Very cool grip safety!

Ed

Doubs · 12-14-2003, 01:39 AM

Looking at the pictures, it seems to me that the front of the frame has been faced as the receiver is just slightly longer than the frame when in battery. It could, of course, be that the locking lever allows the receiber to sit slightly forward and I'd like to see if the usual Erfurt C/Letter stamp is on the trigger guard. My guess is a DWM frame mated to an Erfurt top and force matched numbers. The left side of the receiver also appears to have been refinished. Nicely done but refinished never the less.

Dwight Gruber · 12-14-2003, 02:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Pete Ebbink:
Is such a grip safety modification to a luger fairly common-place ? Easy to do...?<hr /></blockquote>The picture below demonstrates the impracticality of adding a grip safety to a P-08 style frame.

The comparison is a 1908 Commercial and a KOL Dutch (1906 frame). Note that the metal at the bottom of the recoil spring housing which holds the grip safety spring and the axle hole for the grip safety lever is cut away on the 1908 frame. The relief at the top of the grip strap is different, also, but could be modified on the 08 frame.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 12-16-2003, 01:13 PM

Hello Doubs and Dwight...

Thanks so much for your thoughts and insights.!

Dwight; what is the small part in the bottom of your KOL grip strap...?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 12-16-2003, 01:38 PM

Pete,

That would be the grip safety spring that to return it to the safe position when the grip safety is not depressed.

12-13-2003, 03:29 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting Erfurt Swiss Shooter... A Luger Forum member, SwissDaggers, is selling a very interesting Erfurt, Swiss modified luger : http://www.swissdagger.com/index.html The luger is in the "luger" menu selection on the web site... It looks like this pistol was a 1918 Erfurt, most parts match the frame and reciever...but a Swiss proofed barrel has been added. The unusual aspect of the 1918 Erfurt frame is that it has a grip safety...(which I assume must have been added later...). Is such a grip safety modification to a luger fairly common-place ? Easy to do...? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-13-2003, 05:42 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	I haven't seen a grip safety modification, but I have only been serious about collecting / specializing as long as you Pete! Very cool grip safety! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-14-2003, 02:46 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Pete Ebbink: <strong>Is such a grip safety modification to a luger fairly common-place ? Easy to do...?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">The picture below demonstrates the impracticality of adding a grip safety to a P-08 style frame. The comparison is a 1908 Commercial and a KOL Dutch (1906 frame). Note that the metal at the bottom of the recoil spring housing which holds the grip safety spring and the axle hole for the grip safety lever is cut away on the 1908 frame. The relief at the top of the grip strap is different, also, but could be modified on the 08 frame. --Dwight

12-16-2003, 01:38 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Pete, That would be the grip safety spring that to return it to the safe position when the grip safety is not depressed. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-14-2003, 01:39 AM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,767 Times in 584 Posts	Looking at the pictures, it seems to me that the front of the frame has been faced as the receiver is just slightly longer than the frame when in battery. It could, of course, be that the locking lever allows the receiber to sit slightly forward and I'd like to see if the usual Erfurt C/Letter stamp is on the trigger guard. My guess is a DWM frame mated to an Erfurt top and force matched numbers. The left side of the receiver also appears to have been refinished. Nicely done but refinished never the less.

12-16-2003, 01:13 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Doubs and Dwight... Thanks so much for your thoughts and insights.! Dwight; what is the small part in the bottom of your KOL grip strap...? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />