Very Representative 1900

wterrell · 10-20-2002, 11:05 AM

1900 AE is on the 'Buy it Now for $1475'

If a man had to have a 1900 AE, this may be the one to get cheap. Who knows? The 90% may be correct and the numbers may match.

[quote]1900 American Luger
made by DWM, serial # 7997, cal. 7.65 (.30 Luger), 4Ã?Â¾" barrel, about 90% condition with some fading blue and straw colors, grip safety, checkered wooden grips, proper walnut base magazine, GERMANY stamp as required.
A very representative pistol in fine condition. <hr></blockquote>

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kidvett · 10-20-2002, 11:32 AM

Hi Wes,

Very interesting & worth having a second look at....especially with the BUY IT NOW feature....

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

wterrell · 10-20-2002, 11:44 AM

I emailed the owner and he said that the pistol is matching.

Hhummm.

I have now emailed him asking if it is a Commercial with the Germany import mark or a Test.

Answer: Commercial, Germany stamped.

hhummm.

Asked for and received 3 day inspection period.

hhhhuummmmmm.

wterrell · 10-20-2002, 12:25 PM

Well, I bought it.

kidvett · 10-20-2002, 12:45 PM

Congratulations Wes! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Keep us updated when you get it!

kidvett <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

Dwight Gruber · 10-20-2002, 01:16 PM

[quote]Originally posted by wes:
<strong>Well, I bought it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hhhhuummmmmm......

--Dwight

wterrell · 10-20-2002, 03:01 PM

kidvett,

I am gambling that the reduced resolution pic that was posted on the auction site is the cause that this pistol was not snapped up. I went to Horst Held's website and looked, and, yep, same pic. I thought that I had seen it before.
I have reduced pics before and gotten the same result where there is a repetitious pattern such as a checked grip.
He assures me that this is an honest pistol with 90% original finish and all matching numbers.

Pete Ebbink · 10-20-2002, 04:10 PM

Hello Wes,

1. When you have her home, let us know if there is the "flaming bomb" proof, anywhere...

2. I will e-mail you Bob Lewis' contact info. on Monday night when I am back at home.

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

John Sabato · 10-21-2002, 11:34 AM

Congrats! Wes... Can't wait to see your HI-Res closeups of the gun...

wterrell · 12-11-2002, 06:51 PM

This pistol was returned to the seller. A gentle hint by the seller stated that maybe someone who had returned the pistol within the inspection period had 'replaced' the parts in question. This was enough to keep me silent until the pistol was resold and my money re-deposited in my account.
In the pics originally posted on the auction and the seller's web site, the areas in question were 'off-camera'.
This pistol, in my opinion, is a $500 pistol at best, but someone was willing to pay $1049 after having been told the problems of this gun

1. It was approx. a 60% condition pistol (at best) not a 90%
2. The trigger plate was from a later model pistol that was forced to fit this pistol and heavily buffed and refinished. Number was not stamped along the bottom edge, but was stamped on the inside of plate.
3. The front sight was filed to a low profile and top edge was parallel with barrel and about 1/8 inch in height.
4. Magazine was stamped with the serial number
5. The barrel had a coating of 'bluing' in it so that the seller could determine if the pistol had been fired during the inspection period. From what I could determine, the barrel had been shot out.

Edward Tinker · 12-11-2002, 07:07 PM

Bummer, nothing worse than getting tossed around, even tho it sounds like the seller wasn't a bad bloke?

wterrell · 12-11-2002, 10:37 PM

Edward,
I grew up in the backwoods among many old moonshiners and gun traders. (One is preparatory to the other.) The dynamics of trading is honed to a fine art by these men of wit (although uneducated) and passed from one generation to another. While this particular gun trader was not born on this soil, he possesses quite a few of the skills that I have seen practiced and have admired since boyhood.
I do not know if honesty has anything to do with a gun trade. It is the challenge of up-handing your opponent. I do not believe that they enjoy taking advantage of the uneducated or uninspired.

John Sabato · 12-12-2002, 10:50 AM

Wes, did you by chance get some good photographs of this piece while it was in your possession?

wterrell · 12-12-2002, 06:58 PM

Had my FFL transfer dealer take pics and he emailed them to me. Later, Outlook express crashed on me and I could not retrieve the pics. If my dealer does not have a copy, I do not have them.
By the way, the pistol never left my FFL dealer's office to my possession. He is not a collector, but even his assessment of this piece was that it was in bad shape. I dropped by his office, examined the pistol, and told him to return it, which he did.

10-20-2002, 11:05 AM	#1
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Very Representative 1900 1900 AE is on the 'Buy it Now for $1475' If a man had to have a 1900 AE, this may be the one to get cheap. Who knows? The 90% may be correct and the numbers may match. [quote]1900 American Luger made by DWM, serial # 7997, cal. 7.65 (.30 Luger), 4Ã?Â¾" barrel, about 90% condition with some fading blue and straw colors, grip safety, checkered wooden grips, proper walnut base magazine, GERMANY stamp as required. A very representative pistol in fine condition. <hr></blockquote> web page __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-20-2002, 11:44 AM	#3
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I emailed the owner and he said that the pistol is matching. Hhummm. I have now emailed him asking if it is a Commercial with the Germany import mark or a Test. Answer: Commercial, Germany stamped. hhummm. Asked for and received 3 day inspection period. hhhhuummmmmm. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-20-2002, 12:25 PM	#4
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well, I bought it. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-20-2002, 03:01 PM	#7
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	kidvett, I am gambling that the reduced resolution pic that was posted on the auction site is the cause that this pistol was not snapped up. I went to Horst Held's website and looked, and, yep, same pic. I thought that I had seen it before. I have reduced pics before and gotten the same result where there is a repetitious pattern such as a checked grip. He assures me that this is an honest pistol with 90% original finish and all matching numbers. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

10-21-2002, 11:34 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Congrats! Wes... Can't wait to see your HI-Res closeups of the gun... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-20-2002, 11:32 AM	#2
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Wes, Very interesting & worth having a second look at....especially with the BUY IT NOW feature.... kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

10-20-2002, 12:45 PM	#5
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Congratulations Wes! [img]smile.gif[/img] Keep us updated when you get it! kidvett <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

10-20-2002, 01:16 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by wes: <strong>Well, I bought it.</strong><hr></blockquote> hhhhuummmmmm...... --Dwight

10-20-2002, 04:10 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Wes, 1. When you have her home, let us know if there is the "flaming bomb" proof, anywhere... 2. I will e-mail you Bob Lewis' contact info. on Monday night when I am back at home. Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

12-11-2002, 06:51 PM	#10
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This pistol was returned to the seller. A gentle hint by the seller stated that maybe someone who had returned the pistol within the inspection period had 'replaced' the parts in question. This was enough to keep me silent until the pistol was resold and my money re-deposited in my account. In the pics originally posted on the auction and the seller's web site, the areas in question were 'off-camera'. This pistol, in my opinion, is a $500 pistol at best, but someone was willing to pay $1049 after having been told the problems of this gun 1. It was approx. a 60% condition pistol (at best) not a 90% 2. The trigger plate was from a later model pistol that was forced to fit this pistol and heavily buffed and refinished. Number was not stamped along the bottom edge, but was stamped on the inside of plate. 3. The front sight was filed to a low profile and top edge was parallel with barrel and about 1/8 inch in height. 4. Magazine was stamped with the serial number 5. The barrel had a coating of 'bluing' in it so that the seller could determine if the pistol had been fired during the inspection period. From what I could determine, the barrel had been shot out. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

12-11-2002, 07:07 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	Bummer, nothing worse than getting tossed around, even tho it sounds like the seller wasn't a bad bloke? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-11-2002, 10:37 PM	#12
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Edward, I grew up in the backwoods among many old moonshiners and gun traders. (One is preparatory to the other.) The dynamics of trading is honed to a fine art by these men of wit (although uneducated) and passed from one generation to another. While this particular gun trader was not born on this soil, he possesses quite a few of the skills that I have seen practiced and have admired since boyhood. I do not know if honesty has anything to do with a gun trade. It is the challenge of up-handing your opponent. I do not believe that they enjoy taking advantage of the uneducated or uninspired. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

12-12-2002, 10:50 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Wes, did you by chance get some good photographs of this piece while it was in your possession? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-12-2002, 06:58 PM	#14
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Had my FFL transfer dealer take pics and he emailed them to me. Later, Outlook express crashed on me and I could not retrieve the pics. If my dealer does not have a copy, I do not have them. By the way, the pistol never left my FFL dealer's office to my possession. He is not a collector, but even his assessment of this piece was that it was in bad shape. I dropped by his office, examined the pistol, and told him to return it, which he did. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------