Interesting frame

Edward Tinker · 09-23-2015, 04:17 PM

I bought a bunch of parts this last weekend, and this frame was with it. figured it was useless - then saw something that caught my eye.

alanint · 09-23-2015, 05:12 PM

Nice score, Ed!! Too bad it's full of "rust"!

DonVoigt · 09-23-2015, 05:28 PM

Yep,
just an old "rust"-y frame.

sheepherder · 09-23-2015, 06:11 PM

I've seen pics here of the 'Rust' marking...but I don't recall seeing any with the arrow...

Dwight Gruber · 09-23-2015, 07:11 PM

They all have the arrow.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 09-24-2015, 01:29 AM

Early Dutch with the grip safety and no stock lug have the upward pointing arrow like this frame. After 1928 the Dutch Lugers were made like the German P08 without a grip safety and with a stock lug...these guns have a downward pointing arrow. Obviously Ed's frame came from an early Dutch.

Usually when I see a frame cut like this it is because someone was salvaging the stock lug to restore a Luger that had its stock lug ground off or to add a stock lug to a grip safety frame to create a "carbine" from a M1900 or M1906 Luger. Since Ed's gun never had a stock lug I have no idea why it was cut that way. Perhaps to restore a grip safety Luger that had a badly damaged lower rear frame?

John Sabato · 09-24-2015, 06:35 AM

I wouldn't try to restore this frame without having the hardness of the ears tested, not even for a shooter. The frame looks to me like it might have been in a house or vehicle fire and may have lost it's temper. It would make a good wall hanger, paperweight, umbrella handle, or display piece though...

Edward Tinker · 09-24-2015, 07:39 AM

Could be John, but looks more like its sandblasted and 1911 parkerized to me in person?

I have a friend who offered me a stock lug, hard to get a grip safety part?

hmmm

Ed

aldo35 · 09-24-2015, 10:02 AM

Ed,

There is a proper grip safety on eBay now for $95.

Joe

Edward Tinker · 09-24-2015, 10:18 AM

Thanks Joe, I actually have at least one I think left. But getting that part of the frame might be hard... I wonder how the internals diff from safety to recoil - no recoil lug L needed?

Ed

aldo35 · 09-24-2015, 02:35 PM

I don't think you can use a P08 safety lever in a grip safety. The angle is wrong. I think some people were able to reverse the safety catch but that was above my pay grade.
Joe

DavidJayUden · 09-24-2015, 03:15 PM

I'm thinking that if we got Eugene involved we could speed this project right along...
dju

sheepherder · 09-24-2015, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I'm thinking that if we got Eugene involved we could speed this project right along...
dju

Indeed. If he's back from vacation...

DavidJayUden · 09-24-2015, 10:06 PM

Where does he vacation at? Siberia?
dju

ithacaartist · 09-25-2015, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldo35

I don't think you can use a P08 safety lever in a grip safety. The angle is wrong. I think some people were able to reverse the safety catch but that was above my pay grade.
Joe

It would be done by relocating the little lug on the grip safety lever. I do not know if the slot in the frame for its tip will cooperate immediately.

09-23-2015, 04:17 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Interesting frame I bought a bunch of parts this last weekend, and this frame was with it. figured it was useless - then saw something that caught my eye. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-23-2015, 06:11 PM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	I've seen pics here of the 'Rust' marking...but I don't recall seeing any with the arrow... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

09-24-2015, 01:29 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Early Dutch with the grip safety and no stock lug have the upward pointing arrow like this frame. After 1928 the Dutch Lugers were made like the German P08 without a grip safety and with a stock lug...these guns have a downward pointing arrow. Obviously Ed's frame came from an early Dutch. Usually when I see a frame cut like this it is because someone was salvaging the stock lug to restore a Luger that had its stock lug ground off or to add a stock lug to a grip safety frame to create a "carbine" from a M1900 or M1906 Luger. Since Ed's gun never had a stock lug I have no idea why it was cut that way. Perhaps to restore a grip safety Luger that had a badly damaged lower rear frame? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-24-2015, 06:35 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I wouldn't try to restore this frame without having the hardness of the ears tested, not even for a shooter. The frame looks to me like it might have been in a house or vehicle fire and may have lost it's temper. It would make a good wall hanger, paperweight, umbrella handle, or display piece though... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-24-2015, 10:02 AM	#9
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 389 Thanks: 2,294 Thanked 180 Times in 89 Posts	Frame Ed, There is a proper grip safety on eBay now for $95. Joe

09-23-2015, 05:12 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Nice score, Ed!! Too bad it's full of "rust"!

09-23-2015, 05:28 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Yep, just an old "rust"-y frame.

09-23-2015, 07:11 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	They all have the arrow. --Dwight

09-24-2015, 07:39 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Could be John, but looks more like its sandblasted and 1911 parkerized to me in person? I have a friend who offered me a stock lug, hard to get a grip safety part? hmmm Ed

09-24-2015, 10:18 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Thanks Joe, I actually have at least one I think left. But getting that part of the frame might be hard... I wonder how the internals diff from safety to recoil - no recoil lug L needed? Ed

09-24-2015, 02:35 PM	#11
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 389 Thanks: 2,294 Thanked 180 Times in 89 Posts	frame I don't think you can use a P08 safety lever in a grip safety. The angle is wrong. I think some people were able to reverse the safety catch but that was above my pay grade. Joe

09-24-2015, 03:15 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm thinking that if we got Eugene involved we could speed this project right along... dju

09-24-2015, 10:06 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Where does he vacation at? Siberia? dju