Frangible 9mm Buletsl

Arizona Slim · 02-02-2014, 03:38 PM

Although frangible (soft) ammunition has been out since the early 60's, I believe first appearing in the 7.62 mm Nato for the military I wasn't aware it was available in handgun ammunition until I received this email, this has to be one of the wickedest looking rounds I have ever seen.

Sorry, I am incorrect, frangible ammunition was in use at least into the mid 40's and was produced in cal. 30-06. Sorry

Lon

http://gunssavelives.net/gear/video-...torm-g2r-rip/#

sheepherder · 02-02-2014, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arizona Slim

Although frangible (soft) ammunition has been out since the early 60's, I believe first appearing in the 7.62 mm Nato for the military...

Really??? I've been out of the military for some time, but when I was in, the Geneva Convention forbid frangible ammunition...

Times change...

rhuff · 02-02-2014, 04:41 PM

I did not think that that round was considered a frangible round in the standard way. Most/all frangible rounds use a bullet made with a sintered/powdered copper that basically evaporates when it strikes a hard object. These rounds "divide and conquer" when they strike an object. I will be really amazed if this bullet is allowed to be sold in the USA due to the way it performs. Each bullet is produced on a CNC machine out of solid copper!! Talk about expensive bullets!!......but then they are not designed for target shooting.

Arizona Slim · 02-02-2014, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Really??? I've been out of the military for some time, but when I was in, the Geneva Convention forbid frangible ammunition...

Times change...

I left the military in Oct. 1963 and brought back a few rounds of the frangible 7.62mm Nato, I believe I still have some and if I can located them, just out of curiosity I will check the head stamp and color of the tip and post the info here. If I'm not mistaken the color of the tip is black.

Lon

318is_Parabellum · 02-02-2014, 05:03 PM

I see the development of these types of bullets as a natural and logical consequence of the US Environmental Protection Agency's 'war on lead'.

Zorba · 02-02-2014, 05:20 PM

Yea, the world-wide anti-Pb hysteria.

Arizona Slim · 02-02-2014, 05:56 PM

Upon further checking I found that I was wrong in that the black tip is for armour piercing, and not for the frangible ammunition, the frangible ammunition I have has the green and white tip, and is cal. 30-06, which while no expert in any sense of the word was I aware that it was produced in 30-06.

Some of the information in my first statement is incorrect, the headstamp on my frangible ammo is dated 1945, it was produced by
the St. Louis Ordinance plant in St. louis and it is for cal. .30-06. Sorry for the misinformation.

Lon

loadings will include: Armor-piercing (AP), AP-Incendiary, Ball, Blank, Dummy, Gallery, High Pressure Test, Incendiary, and Tracer. Many of these will be identified by colored bullet tips. The following is a list of commonly found colored bullet tips on .30-06.
Black: AP
Black/Silver: AP Plate Test
Blue: Incendiary (also tracer from Argentina)
Green: AP from UK, Tracer from Argentina
Green/White: Frangible
Green/Tan: Frangible
Orange: Tracer
Red: Tracer (also some Incendiary from UK, and AP from Argentina)
Silver: Armor-piercing Incendiary
White: Tracer, unfinished Frangible,
Yellow: Observation and Proof rounds (AP from Belgium)

02-02-2014, 03:38 PM	#1
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Frangible 9mm Buletsl Although frangible (soft) ammunition has been out since the early 60's, I believe first appearing in the 7.62 mm Nato for the military I wasn't aware it was available in handgun ammunition until I received this email, this has to be one of the wickedest looking rounds I have ever seen. Sorry, I am incorrect, frangible ammunition was in use at least into the mid 40's and was produced in cal. 30-06. Sorry Lon http://gunssavelives.net/gear/video-...torm-g2r-rip/#

02-02-2014, 04:41 PM	#3
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,305 Thanks: 2,735 Thanked 991 Times in 727 Posts	I did not think that that round was considered a frangible round in the standard way. Most/all frangible rounds use a bullet made with a sintered/powdered copper that basically evaporates when it strikes a hard object. These rounds "divide and conquer" when they strike an object. I will be really amazed if this bullet is allowed to be sold in the USA due to the way it performs. Each bullet is produced on a CNC machine out of solid copper!! Talk about expensive bullets!!......but then they are not designed for target shooting.

02-02-2014, 05:03 PM	#5
318is_Parabellum User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 130 Thanks: 80 Thanked 75 Times in 31 Posts	I see the development of these types of bullets as a natural and logical consequence of the US Environmental Protection Agency's 'war on lead'.

02-02-2014, 05:20 PM	#6
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	Yea, the world-wide anti-Pb hysteria.

02-02-2014, 05:56 PM	#7
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Upon further checking I found that I was wrong in that the black tip is for armour piercing, and not for the frangible ammunition, the frangible ammunition I have has the green and white tip, and is cal. 30-06, which while no expert in any sense of the word was I aware that it was produced in 30-06. Some of the information in my first statement is incorrect, the headstamp on my frangible ammo is dated 1945, it was produced by the St. Louis Ordinance plant in St. louis and it is for cal. .30-06. Sorry for the misinformation. Lon loadings will include: Armor-piercing (AP), AP-Incendiary, Ball, Blank, Dummy, Gallery, High Pressure Test, Incendiary, and Tracer. Many of these will be identified by colored bullet tips. The following is a list of commonly found colored bullet tips on .30-06. Black: AP Black/Silver: AP Plate Test Blue: Incendiary (also tracer from Argentina) Green: AP from UK, Tracer from Argentina Green/White: Frangible Green/Tan: Frangible Orange: Tracer Red: Tracer (also some Incendiary from UK, and AP from Argentina) Silver: Armor-piercing Incendiary White: Tracer, unfinished Frangible, Yellow: Observation and Proof rounds (AP from Belgium)