Luger marking

raye321 · 01-17-2014, 08:52 PM

I have a german luger made in 1921. I've done some research online as to the markings etc. But There is a marking I didnt see in my research. Below the trigger guard, the steel strip that goes down the middle of the two grips is this stamped into it:
16./J.R.21.25. Anyone have any idea what that is?
Thanks
Ray

Arizona Slim · 01-17-2014, 09:09 PM

Hi Raye and welcome to the forum, I am not able to decipher which unit your pistol belonged to as I do not have a reference book that gives that information but you're in luck because there are other members here that can do that, check back later and I'm certain you will have your answer.

Lon

Norme · 01-17-2014, 09:15 PM

Hi Ray, It's a Weimar unit mark: 16th Infantry Regiment, 21st Company, Weapon #25.
Regards, Norm

raye321 · 01-18-2014, 04:52 PM

Thanks Norm, Any Idea what the J.R. is?

Edward Tinker · 01-18-2014, 05:03 PM

Infantry Regiment - J is same as I in old german alphabet

Ron Smith · 01-19-2014, 10:19 AM

Norme, you have it reversed...

Company 16 / Infantry Regt 21 weapon 25.

21st Infantry Regt was part of the 17th Infantry Division garrisoned at Nuremberg. The 17th Infantry Div. took part in the 1939 invasion of Poland. In Oct 1942 it was renamed the 21st Grenadier Regt.

"After the war against Poland, the 17th Infantry Division was withdrawn to Germany and then took part in the battle of France, as part of XIIIth Corps. Afterwards, in the summer of 1940, the division trained for taking part in the abortive invasion of England.

In 1941 it participated in Operation Barbarossa as part of Army Group Center. In the fall of 1941 it took part in the Battle of Moscow. After sustaining heavy losses, it was withdrawn to France in June, 1942.

The division returned to the Eastern Front in April, 1943, fighting around river Mius, Nikopol, Uman, Chişinău and Iaşi. In August, 1944 the unit was shifted to Poland and fought to contain Soviet bridgeheads on the Vistula river, around Warka and Radom. It remained in this sector until it was heavily damaged in the course of the Soviet Vistula-Oder offensive in January, 1945.

The division was then reconstituted from its remnants and fought in April and May 1945 in the area around Görlitz. At the end of the war it was located in the Riesengebirge mountains (today Karkonosze)."

Norme · 01-19-2014, 11:01 AM

Hi Ron, See what happens when you're not around, everything goes to pot!
Best regards, Norm

01-17-2014, 08:52 PM	#1
raye321 New User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger marking I have a german luger made in 1921. I've done some research online as to the markings etc. But There is a marking I didnt see in my research. Below the trigger guard, the steel strip that goes down the middle of the two grips is this stamped into it: 16./J.R.21.25. Anyone have any idea what that is? Thanks Ray

01-18-2014, 05:03 PM	#5
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01-19-2014, 10:19 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Norme, you have it reversed... Company 16 / Infantry Regt 21 weapon 25. 21st Infantry Regt was part of the 17th Infantry Division garrisoned at Nuremberg. The 17th Infantry Div. took part in the 1939 invasion of Poland. In Oct 1942 it was renamed the 21st Grenadier Regt. "After the war against Poland, the 17th Infantry Division was withdrawn to Germany and then took part in the battle of France, as part of XIIIth Corps. Afterwards, in the summer of 1940, the division trained for taking part in the abortive invasion of England. In 1941 it participated in Operation Barbarossa as part of Army Group Center. In the fall of 1941 it took part in the Battle of Moscow. After sustaining heavy losses, it was withdrawn to France in June, 1942. The division returned to the Eastern Front in April, 1943, fighting around river Mius, Nikopol, Uman, Chişinău and Iaşi. In August, 1944 the unit was shifted to Poland and fought to contain Soviet bridgeheads on the Vistula river, around Warka and Radom. It remained in this sector until it was heavily damaged in the course of the Soviet Vistula-Oder offensive in January, 1945. The division was then reconstituted from its remnants and fought in April and May 1945 in the area around Görlitz. At the end of the war it was located in the Riesengebirge mountains (today Karkonosze)." __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-17-2014, 09:09 PM	#2
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Hi Raye and welcome to the forum, I am not able to decipher which unit your pistol belonged to as I do not have a reference book that gives that information but you're in luck because there are other members here that can do that, check back later and I'm certain you will have your answer. Lon

01-17-2014, 09:15 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Ray, It's a Weimar unit mark: 16th Infantry Regiment, 21st Company, Weapon #25. Regards, Norm

01-18-2014, 04:52 PM	#4
raye321 New User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Norm, Any Idea what the J.R. is?

01-19-2014, 11:01 AM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Ron, See what happens when you're not around, everything goes to pot! Best regards, Norm