Carbine serial numbers

mntnbob · 02-11-2012, 01:52 AM

Have a question about serial number ranges for the 1902 Carbine. According to Aaron Davis's books, the first batch was from 21200 thru 22100. But according to Charles Kenyon, the range starts at 21000. Can anybody confirm for sure which is correct? Also, any guess on how many Carbines are known to exist?

Thanks - bob

Ron Wood · 02-11-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mntnbob

Also, any guess on how many Carbines are known to exist?

Thanks - bob

Quite a number. As someone once said "they are too big to lose and too pretty to throw away." Unfortunately, the stocks have not survived to the same degree.

DavidJayUden · 02-11-2012, 04:18 PM

When in doubt, believe the most expensive book...
dju

mntnbob · 02-11-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Quite a number. As someone once said "they are too big to lose and too pretty to throw away." Unfortunately, the stocks have not survived to the same degree.

Well, I know that about 2500 were made, just curious if anybody had ever added-up the known survivors. I see some models of Luger that are the only survivor out of 100+ made. Just wondering if there are 500 carbines, or 2000, that are known about.

sheepherder · 02-11-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mntnbob

Also, any guess on how many Carbines are known to exist?

I think it is safe to say that there are more known to exist than were ever made...

MFC · 02-12-2012, 12:26 AM

Hi Bob,
Dwight Gruber's commercial database shows the lowest reported S#21157 and the highest S#24872. There were two separate runs of 1902 carbines, with Cartridge Counters, German Test, Dutch test, and Fat barrel AE's in the middle.
First range: #21157- #22000
Second range: #23460- #24872.
Keep in mind, these are reported survivors.

mntnbob · 02-12-2012, 01:44 PM

Thanks, exactly what I needed to know. Is Mr. Gruber's database available online?

Bob

cirelaw · 02-12-2012, 02:57 PM

Is there a database for the latter, 1920 carbine?

Ron Wood · 02-12-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Is there a database for the latter, 1920 carbine?

Dwight Gruber lists about 30 in his data base.

cirelaw · 02-12-2012, 05:18 PM

Thanks Ron, There are only a few with a 't' suffix and they are all in time but for police models. I"m thinking its a lonely orphan!! Do you know anyone who knows any thing about or collects the commercial lugers?

MFC · 02-13-2012, 12:05 AM

This is a link to the latest version...
http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...7&d=1314286635

cirelaw · 02-13-2012, 11:24 AM

Its an odd ball!!

DavidJayUden · 02-13-2012, 11:51 AM

So what are carbines going for these days? I see that Simpson's is in the $20K range. Ouch! I might think about unloading some war trophy P08's for a decent gun with stock.
dju

LugerMan.com · 02-13-2012, 12:19 PM

Answer this with a Y or N:
1. You do not have spare 20K laying around
2. You do like to have a carbine but can not find one
3. You want to have one or even have one but afraid to shoot it
4. You can not stop thinking about selling your car and getting a carbine instead
5. You been waiting to get one for a long time and do not mind waiting for another year.

Well if you answered Yes to at leas 3 out of the 5 you may be interested in conversion:

Visit my site for more information on it.

alanint · 02-13-2012, 12:22 PM

There was a guy walking around shopping one at the Ft. Meyers show this weekend. Would not entertain a penny under $25K for it.....

DavidJayUden · 02-13-2012, 12:41 PM

"Answer this with a Y or N:
1. You do not have spare 20K laying around
2. You do like to have a carbine but can not find one
3. You want to have one or even have one but afraid to shoot it
4. You can not stop thinking about selling your car and getting a carbine instead
5. You been waiting to get one for a long time and do not mind waiting for another year.

Well if you answered Yes to at leas 3 out of the 5 you may be interested in conversion:"

But Eugene, one year to you might be 4 years to me...
dju

cirelaw · 02-13-2012, 01:15 PM

and never fired by myself to next week!

LugerMan.com · 02-13-2012, 01:25 PM

So true...

I am catching up ... slowly ...

Problem is: more guns need work and there not meany people that do it ...

So as a result people that do, get overwhelmed and delivery times stretch ....

But even 4 years is better then never as far as owning a carbine goes....

LugerMan.com · 02-13-2012, 01:26 PM

Where is a front sight on that Navy Luger in the picture ... ?

cirelaw · 02-13-2012, 01:54 PM

Thank GOD you spotted it. I found it outside where the pictures were taken!!

02-11-2012, 01:52 AM	#1
mntnbob New User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Carbine serial numbers Have a question about serial number ranges for the 1902 Carbine. According to Aaron Davis's books, the first batch was from 21200 thru 22100. But according to Charles Kenyon, the range starts at 21000. Can anybody confirm for sure which is correct? Also, any guess on how many Carbines are known to exist? Thanks - bob

02-12-2012, 12:26 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Bob, Dwight Gruber's commercial database shows the lowest reported S#21157 and the highest S#24872. There were two separate runs of 1902 carbines, with Cartridge Counters, German Test, Dutch test, and Fat barrel AE's in the middle. First range: #21157- #22000 Second range: #23460- #24872. Keep in mind, these are reported survivors. __________________ Mike C.

02-12-2012, 05:18 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thanks Ron, There are only a few with a 't' suffix and they are all in time but for police models. I"m thinking its a lonely orphan!! Do you know anyone who knows any thing about or collects the commercial lugers? Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2012, 12:05 AM	#11
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	This is a link to the latest version... http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...7&d=1314286635 __________________ Mike C.

02-13-2012, 12:19 PM	#14
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	There are options for a Carbine Answer this with a Y or N: 1. You do not have spare 20K laying around 2. You do like to have a carbine but can not find one 3. You want to have one or even have one but afraid to shoot it 4. You can not stop thinking about selling your car and getting a carbine instead 5. You been waiting to get one for a long time and do not mind waiting for another year. Well if you answered Yes to at leas 3 out of the 5 you may be interested in conversion: Visit my site for more information on it.

02-11-2012, 04:18 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	When in doubt, believe the most expensive book... dju

02-12-2012, 01:44 PM	#7
mntnbob New User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, exactly what I needed to know. Is Mr. Gruber's database available online? Bob

02-12-2012, 02:57 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Is there a database for the latter, 1920 carbine?

02-13-2012, 11:24 AM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Its an odd ball!!

02-13-2012, 11:51 AM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So what are carbines going for these days? I see that Simpson's is in the $20K range. Ouch! I might think about unloading some war trophy P08's for a decent gun with stock. dju

02-13-2012, 12:22 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	There was a guy walking around shopping one at the Ft. Meyers show this weekend. Would not entertain a penny under $25K for it.....

02-13-2012, 12:41 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"Answer this with a Y or N: 1. You do not have spare 20K laying around 2. You do like to have a carbine but can not find one 3. You want to have one or even have one but afraid to shoot it 4. You can not stop thinking about selling your car and getting a carbine instead 5. You been waiting to get one for a long time and do not mind waiting for another year. Well if you answered Yes to at leas 3 out of the 5 you may be interested in conversion:" But Eugene, one year to you might be 4 years to me... dju

02-13-2012, 01:15 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Finally The Holy Trinity and never fired by myself to next week! Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2012, 01:25 PM	#18
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	So true... I am catching up ... slowly ... Problem is: more guns need work and there not meany people that do it ... So as a result people that do, get overwhelmed and delivery times stretch .... But even 4 years is better then never as far as owning a carbine goes....

02-13-2012, 01:26 PM	#19
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 364 Times in 116 Posts	Where is a front sight on that Navy Luger in the picture ... ?

02-13-2012, 01:54 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thank GOD you spotted it. I found it outside where the pictures were taken!!