Rate my bore

Depner · 11-06-2011, 12:23 PM

What is your opinion of this bore?

I know those are not award winning photos, but I found it really difficult to make good pictures of the rifling.

Edward Tinker · 11-06-2011, 01:34 PM

I am not a 'bore' guy and it is something I look at with barely prejudicing me on whether I buy it or not...

Your bore has a lot more than what I would say is freckling or frosting in a description, if I was selling, I would say, 'has light pitting throughout the bore'.

It probably shoots just fine, with pitting you never know, let alone from a luger to the next luger you never know

Ed

Wilhelm · 11-06-2011, 01:46 PM

The best way to find out is to take it to the range. If it's accurate and consistent, forget about it.

Mike Z · 11-06-2011, 06:04 PM

I've seen worse shoot great.
Mike Z.

wlyon · 11-06-2011, 06:45 PM

It doesn't look to bad. If on a collectible will make some difference? If on a shooter it should be fine. These guns were used in War and we cannot expect them to be perfect. Bill

Aaron · 11-06-2011, 07:12 PM

If I were selling "fair to poor."

alanint · 11-06-2011, 09:27 PM

I agree with all the members that say "shoot it"! bore descriptions are subjective and if the gun is being represented as a shooter, then practical accuracy is all that matters, not how it looks to any inspection.
My MP40 has a dark, speckled bore from the use of cheap, Eastern Block corrosive blanks fired at demonstrations and reenactments.
I can still take that gun and fire single shots dead on at clay disks at 100yards and break 9 out of 10.

Bore frost is unimportant if the gun shoots.

RAY1946 · 11-07-2011, 11:12 PM

My first Luger was a 1918 Erma that I purchased back in 1961 and the bore looked very similar to yours. At 25 yds or so I could consistently hit beer cans, crab apples and just about anything else I wanted. That was 1961 and looking thru the sights with 15 year old eyes made all the difference in the world.
I think if you stay with jacketed bullets at normal velocities you should still be able to hit pretty good............................

Ron Wood · 11-07-2011, 11:49 PM

Any chance that would be a 1918 Erfurt rather than Erma?

RAY1946 · 11-08-2011, 08:44 AM

You are correct; it was an Erfurt! My mistake...................................

calibrator · 11-08-2011, 11:48 AM

Since we're telling tales, I have a 1913 DWM Shooter with a similar bore as pictured. Shot at paper for the first time a few weeks ago from a sandbag rest at 15 yds using a spotting scope to adjust fire. First shot was 6" high and ~1" left. Fired 2 more rounds for grouping, but could not see them on paper. Held low and right to adjust fire. POI was in the bull, 2 more for grouping, and none visible. WTF! Walked out at cease fire to retrieve target, and saw that each hole was a ragged cloverleaf. I have a new respect for that pistol. BTW, it ran flawlessly with a MecGar mag for 50 rds. Here is a pic of it below the Hugh Clark "Baby" I'm trying to sell locally.

Sieger · 11-08-2011, 05:40 PM

Hi:

You have a well worn bore that has seen a lot of corrosive ammo without regular cleaning.

If the crown on your barrel is still tight, I think you may well still have an accurate shooter.

The only way to find out, as others above have stated, it to take it out and shoot it.

Sieger

Depner · 12-06-2011, 10:13 AM

Thank you all! Yes, it still shoots great in my opinion (if hitting 25 cm (9,8 inch) diameter round steels from 25 meters (27 yards) without a problem is good for this bore ). I was just curios about the opinion of the professionals.

11-06-2011, 12:23 PM	#1
Depner User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hungary Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rate my bore What is your opinion of this bore? I know those are not award winning photos, but I found it really difficult to make good pictures of the rifling. __________________ 1936 S/42 Luger, FN Browning M1906, Glock-19, La Coruna M43 Spanish Mauser, Hungarian M44 Mosin-Nagant, Suhl KKV-1001, Mossberg 500A

11-06-2011, 01:34 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I am not a 'bore' guy and it is something I look at with barely prejudicing me on whether I buy it or not... Your bore has a lot more than what I would say is freckling or frosting in a description, if I was selling, I would say, 'has light pitting throughout the bore'. It probably shoots just fine, with pitting you never know, let alone from a luger to the next luger you never know Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-06-2011, 01:46 PM	#3
Wilhelm User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 365 Thanks: 48 Thanked 136 Times in 60 Posts	The best way to find out is to take it to the range. If it's accurate and consistent, forget about it. __________________ translatedfrenchmanuals@yahoo.com I promise to be nice and play well with others

11-06-2011, 06:45 PM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	It doesn't look to bad. If on a collectible will make some difference? If on a shooter it should be fine. These guns were used in War and we cannot expect them to be perfect. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-07-2011, 11:49 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Any chance that would be a 1918 Erfurt rather than Erma? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-06-2011, 06:04 PM	#4
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 181 Thanks: 54 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	I've seen worse shoot great. Mike Z.

11-06-2011, 07:12 PM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	If I were selling "fair to poor."

11-06-2011, 09:27 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I agree with all the members that say "shoot it"! bore descriptions are subjective and if the gun is being represented as a shooter, then practical accuracy is all that matters, not how it looks to any inspection. My MP40 has a dark, speckled bore from the use of cheap, Eastern Block corrosive blanks fired at demonstrations and reenactments. I can still take that gun and fire single shots dead on at clay disks at 100yards and break 9 out of 10. Bore frost is unimportant if the gun shoots.

11-07-2011, 11:12 PM	#8
RAY1946 User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 77 Thanks: 178 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	My first Luger was a 1918 Erma that I purchased back in 1961 and the bore looked very similar to yours. At 25 yds or so I could consistently hit beer cans, crab apples and just about anything else I wanted. That was 1961 and looking thru the sights with 15 year old eyes made all the difference in the world. I think if you stay with jacketed bullets at normal velocities you should still be able to hit pretty good............................

11-08-2011, 08:44 AM	#10
RAY1946 User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 77 Thanks: 178 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	You are correct; it was an Erfurt! My mistake...................................

11-08-2011, 11:48 AM	#11
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 244 Times in 93 Posts	Since we're telling tales, I have a 1913 DWM Shooter with a similar bore as pictured. Shot at paper for the first time a few weeks ago from a sandbag rest at 15 yds using a spotting scope to adjust fire. First shot was 6" high and ~1" left. Fired 2 more rounds for grouping, but could not see them on paper. Held low and right to adjust fire. POI was in the bull, 2 more for grouping, and none visible. WTF! Walked out at cease fire to retrieve target, and saw that each hole was a ragged cloverleaf. I have a new respect for that pistol. BTW, it ran flawlessly with a MecGar mag for 50 rds. Here is a pic of it below the Hugh Clark "Baby" I'm trying to sell locally. Last edited by calibrator; 05-03-2015 at 02:27 PM.

11-08-2011, 05:40 PM	#12
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,579 Thanks: 2,144 Thanked 402 Times in 251 Posts	Hi: You have a well worn bore that has seen a lot of corrosive ammo without regular cleaning. If the crown on your barrel is still tight, I think you may well still have an accurate shooter. The only way to find out, as others above have stated, it to take it out and shoot it. Sieger

12-06-2011, 10:13 AM	#13
Depner User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hungary Posts: 36 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all! Yes, it still shoots great in my opinion (if hitting 25 cm (9,8 inch) diameter round steels from 25 meters (27 yards) without a problem is good for this bore ). I was just curios about the opinion of the professionals. __________________ 1936 S/42 Luger, FN Browning M1906, Glock-19, La Coruna M43 Spanish Mauser, Hungarian M44 Mosin-Nagant, Suhl KKV-1001, Mossberg 500A