With regard to Albert....

Norme · 10-03-2011, 05:16 PM

I have pleaded for clemency on Albert's behalf in the past, but this time he has seemed to go out of way to provoke Ed. I think Ed acted with restraint and gave Albert fair warning. That said, I hope Albert's banishment is temporary. While his posts generate a lot of heat, they produce light as well. He will be missed. Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2011, 06:10 PM

anyone who has contact with him, is welcome to speak to him.

But, be advised that he acted up on Jan Still's forum, enough that Jan banned him, because he kept getting 'infractions' and causing trouble.

Yes, I am a moderator on both, but I try to keep that separate. Folks told me I should have banned him on both forums at the same time, but I don't work that way.

Albert will be nice for a while, but like he has told me and others on the forums, he carries a grudge, and so it is hard for me to think he will 'learn' from a 'time-out'.....

Jack Lawman · 10-03-2011, 08:34 PM

This whole affair strikes me as a sort of Stockholm Syndrome/bad dog lover kind of thing. Some people develop a soft spot for other people who behave badly and crap on others. It can be entertaining and downright amusing.

Unless you're the one getting crapped on... then not so much!

I had no idea about the whole Russia v Bulgaria controversy until this latest go around. I'll admit, the mudfest was a nice departure from the usual starch collar suspects around here (for me, anyway). I had fun learning.

All that said, I stand firmly in Ed's corner... Albert was warned. Who do you blame, the rattle snake for biting or the dope who tried to pet it? It gets filed under, "What the h- did you think was gonna happen?"

Jack

Don M · 10-03-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lawman

This whole affair strikes me as a sort of Stockholm Syndrome/bad dog lover kind of thing. Some people develop a soft spot for other people who behave badly and crap on others. It can be entertaining and downright amusing.

I kept asking myself why I kept checking out this "discussion" and concluded it was the same morbid curiosity that causes people to run to see train wrecks.

Steinar · 10-04-2011, 04:05 AM

A very good thing about this forum, has been the general polite tone throughout the threads. It's seems like most people here are very much aware that the written word can be interpreted in many ways, due to the obvious lack facial expressions.

If the forum goes in a direction (as other forums I have visited) where the polite tone and respect is set aside for personal attacks and everlasting disagreements, then at least I would find something else to do rather than to follow this forum.

Lively discussions

- Personal attacks

sheepherder · 10-04-2011, 07:10 AM

I have found this forum to be *extremely* tolerant...For instance, on bladeforums.com, Alberts behavior would not have been tolerated beyond the first instance...and he would have been gone...*I* have been given infractions/points and even a 48 hr suspension there...and I'm considered a moderate in my views/behavior...

On ARFCOM, Albert may have been allowed his behavior, but only in specific 'free speech' sub-forums...(bladeforuns also)...

Albert does seem to have an anti-American attitude, which I have noticed among a few non-US forum members (other forums than this)...

Offhand, I can't think of any nationality that I dislike as much as Albert despises Americans...

LU1900 · 10-04-2011, 09:48 AM

In 2009 , I send a message to John.D because I been hurt in a post by Albert : personal attack, no answer , so I banned myself from this forum : I only read the posts .

Edward Tinker · 10-04-2011, 11:07 AM

Patrice, then you are the only one who is hurt (and us for your expertise) by not posting....

On another note; I have had people tell me they were afraid of posting because there guns would be scrutinized so closely, which I can understand. And many times I receive emails from folks asking for advice personally ---- I only have so much time or energy to help off line...

Ed

lew1 · 10-04-2011, 11:39 AM

The fact is that pistols are, as you say, scrutinized very closely. Nothing wrong with that. But there seems to be a tendncy by some to attack the pistol every time and every now and then there ia an apology.

John Sabato · 10-04-2011, 12:02 PM

Patrice,

You are encouraged to once again participate my friend.

Personal attacks are not tolerated on this forum.

Unfortunately, John D. is often too busy with the matters of running his business, or his charity/orphanage in Haiti (rennwish.org) to be available to deal with the day-to-day operations of this forum. Day-to-day operations are delegated to the moderators.

If you are witness to, or the victim of a personal attack on this forum, all members are encouraged to use the "Report Post" icon

to report the incident to all of the moderators simultaneously.

This feature is NOT for bringing things such as duplicate postings to the moderator's attention, but for flagrant violation of the terms of service, the use of profanity or sexual content, or the personal abuse of other members.

John Sabato · 10-04-2011, 03:38 PM

Oh Yeah, one more thing:

"No man ever got very high by pulling other people down. The intelligent merchant does not knock his competitors. The sensible worker does not knock those who work with him. Don't knock your friends. Don't knock your enemies. Don't knock yourself."

--Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson

hgreer2 · 10-04-2011, 04:23 PM

I'm guessing Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson wasn't into politics.....

Harry

Curly1 · 10-04-2011, 05:37 PM

Someone once told me during my working carreer "be kind to people you meet on the way up the the ladder cause you may need their support on the way down"

I found it to be so true.

cirelaw · 10-04-2011, 05:41 PM

Ed over the many years I've known You, You have always been one heck of a Gentleman, especially dealing with me a post stroke, brain damaged, obsessive compulsive behavoral and one hell of an American. My only suggestion is that please don't take offence from well known obsessive compulsive behavior by a few. Your Good name an honor is well known and the world would be an empty place without You. Each of us bring to this Luger pot of soup our individual ingrediants. Some time our pot will be overwhelmed by an indididual personal spice. Just let us simmer and remember that You, Jan and a few other personalities blend together to one of the finest Brew on the internet. Sometimes a little while longer will be needed to steep, simmer away some of those stonger spices in order for our never ingrediants shall take their place. You all must be proud. Heck neither of my marriage have lasted longer. Relax, sit You deserve it.

sheepherder · 10-04-2011, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

This feature is NOT for bringing things such as duplicate postings to the moderator's attention...

...<sob!>...I'm sorry!!!...I thought it was for that too!!!...

10-03-2011, 05:16 PM	#1
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,593 Times in 931 Posts	With regard to Albert.... I have pleaded for clemency on Albert's behalf in the past, but this time he has seemed to go out of way to provoke Ed. I think Ed acted with restraint and gave Albert fair warning. That said, I hope Albert's banishment is temporary. While his posts generate a lot of heat, they produce light as well. He will be missed. Regards, Norm

10-03-2011, 08:34 PM	#3
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	LugerForum trip to Sweden.... This whole affair strikes me as a sort of Stockholm Syndrome/bad dog lover kind of thing. Some people develop a soft spot for other people who behave badly and crap on others. It can be entertaining and downright amusing. Unless you're the one getting crapped on... then not so much! I had no idea about the whole Russia v Bulgaria controversy until this latest go around. I'll admit, the mudfest was a nice departure from the usual starch collar suspects around here (for me, anyway). I had fun learning. All that said, I stand firmly in Ed's corner... Albert was warned. Who do you blame, the rattle snake for biting or the dope who tried to pet it? It gets filed under, "What the h- did you think was gonna happen?" Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

10-04-2011, 04:05 AM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	A very good thing about this forum, has been the general polite tone throughout the threads. It's seems like most people here are very much aware that the written word can be interpreted in many ways, due to the obvious lack facial expressions. If the forum goes in a direction (as other forums I have visited) where the polite tone and respect is set aside for personal attacks and everlasting disagreements, then at least I would find something else to do rather than to follow this forum. Lively discussions - Personal attacks __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-04-2011, 07:10 AM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	I have found this forum to be extremely tolerant...For instance, on bladeforums.com, Alberts behavior would not have been tolerated beyond the first instance...and he would have been gone...I have been given infractions/points and even a 48 hr suspension there...and I'm considered a moderate in my views/behavior... On ARFCOM, Albert may have been allowed his behavior, but only in specific 'free speech' sub-forums...(bladeforuns also)... Albert does seem to have an anti-American attitude, which I have noticed among a few non-US forum members (other forums than this)... Offhand, I can't think of any nationality that I dislike as much as Albert despises Americans... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-04-2011, 11:39 AM	#9
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	The fact is that pistols are, as you say, scrutinized very closely. Nothing wrong with that. But there seems to be a tendncy by some to attack the pistol every time and every now and then there ia an apology. __________________ charlie

10-03-2011, 06:10 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	anyone who has contact with him, is welcome to speak to him. But, be advised that he acted up on Jan Still's forum, enough that Jan banned him, because he kept getting 'infractions' and causing trouble. Yes, I am a moderator on both, but I try to keep that separate. Folks told me I should have banned him on both forums at the same time, but I don't work that way. Albert will be nice for a while, but like he has told me and others on the forums, he carries a grudge, and so it is hard for me to think he will 'learn' from a 'time-out'.....

10-04-2011, 09:48 AM	#7
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 905 Thanks: 37 Thanked 466 Times in 195 Posts	In 2009 , I send a message to John.D because I been hurt in a post by Albert : personal attack, no answer , so I banned myself from this forum : I only read the posts .

10-04-2011, 11:07 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Patrice, then you are the only one who is hurt (and us for your expertise) by not posting.... On another note; I have had people tell me they were afraid of posting because there guns would be scrutinized so closely, which I can understand. And many times I receive emails from folks asking for advice personally ---- I only have so much time or energy to help off line... Ed

10-04-2011, 12:02 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Patrice, You are encouraged to once again participate my friend. Personal attacks are not tolerated on this forum. Unfortunately, John D. is often too busy with the matters of running his business, or his charity/orphanage in Haiti (rennwish.org) to be available to deal with the day-to-day operations of this forum. Day-to-day operations are delegated to the moderators. If you are witness to, or the victim of a personal attack on this forum, all members are encouraged to use the "Report Post" icon to report the incident to all of the moderators simultaneously. This feature is NOT for bringing things such as duplicate postings to the moderator's attention, but for flagrant violation of the terms of service, the use of profanity or sexual content, or the personal abuse of other members. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-04-2011, 03:38 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Oh Yeah, one more thing: "No man ever got very high by pulling other people down. The intelligent merchant does not knock his competitors. The sensible worker does not knock those who work with him. Don't knock your friends. Don't knock your enemies. Don't knock yourself." --Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-04-2011, 04:23 PM	#12
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I'm guessing Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson wasn't into politics..... Harry

10-04-2011, 05:37 PM	#13
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 113 Thanked 703 Times in 365 Posts	Someone once told me during my working carreer "be kind to people you meet on the way up the the ladder cause you may need their support on the way down" I found it to be so true. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

10-04-2011, 05:41 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ed over the many years I've known You, You have always been one heck of a Gentleman, especially dealing with me a post stroke, brain damaged, obsessive compulsive behavoral and one hell of an American. My only suggestion is that please don't take offence from well known obsessive compulsive behavior by a few. Your Good name an honor is well known and the world would be an empty place without You. Each of us bring to this Luger pot of soup our individual ingrediants. Some time our pot will be overwhelmed by an indididual personal spice. Just let us simmer and remember that You, Jan and a few other personalities blend together to one of the finest Brew on the internet. Sometimes a little while longer will be needed to steep, simmer away some of those stonger spices in order for our never ingrediants shall take their place. You all must be proud. Heck neither of my marriage have lasted longer. Relax, sit You deserve it. Attached Images