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07-16-2011, 05:36 PM | #1 |
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Curious DWM Luger with a Crown on the receiver from TURKEY
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I showed this pistol to Mr Mauro Baudino before. Unfortunately we couldn't find a proper explanation for the crown on the receiver. For me it looks like a Erfurt Crown, however might also me a "M" Marine stamp. Again I will try to upload some of the photos have taken to Lugerforum. If the resolution is not very good then I will also take Photobucket. Photos with the crown are in my second message |
07-16-2011, 05:40 PM | #2 |
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07-21-2011, 04:07 PM | #3 |
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Hello folks,
no ideas about this Luger? Have you seen something like this before? What is your comment on the Crown on receiver? |
07-21-2011, 04:48 PM | #4 |
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Hello Evren,
I've seen a similar Luger. I believe that it was a discussion which took place some time ago , either on this forum, or Jan Still's forum. I don't think the origin of the Crown on the chamber was ever discovered. Although I recall that it could have been done on a small run of Lugers intended for awards, or a private contract which was later sent to the Army. My memory on the subject is very faint, and I could be wrong. I don't believe it is a Navy / Marine crown. The Navy crown has a cross within the crown itself and is of a different design. It is a military style Imperial Crown, so most likely Army connected. I would love to find one like yours. It's very unique... Ron
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07-22-2011, 06:37 AM | #5 |
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Looks like an Erfurt crown to me.
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07-22-2011, 07:49 AM | #6 |
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Hi Evren, Does this gun have a stock lug? Is it fitted with a hold-open? Regards, Norm
P.S. Please provide a clearer photo of the inspection marks on the right receiver. Last edited by Norme; 07-22-2011 at 08:28 AM. Reason: P.S. |
07-22-2011, 08:15 AM | #7 |
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Are you selling those T-shirts???
***************************** I recall the discussion on that crown chamber mark...It wasn't all that long ago...
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07-22-2011, 08:23 AM | #8 |
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The crown as a symbol was taken very seriously back then and would not have been applied lightly to anything.
Is there any possibility the guns thus marked were meant for a Royal household guard of some kind? |
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Dear Alaint,
my friend (police commisar) who sold this pistol to another friend, told me that he heard that these Lugers with a crown on them are meant fot he royal household. I don't know but it looks like a Erfurt Crown to me. I sent the photos to Mr Mauro Baudino for sometime ago, may be he opened a topic and posted the photos of this particular Luger. Dear Ron, it is really very unique, I have never seen a Luger with such a stamp on the chamber, however can we be sure about it's authenticity? Dear postino, I did not understand what you mean? What T-Shirts? |
07-24-2011, 06:20 PM | #10 |
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The Istanbul t-shirt used in the background.
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07-25-2011, 07:43 AM | #11 |
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I wonder which royal household would use second hand German military pistols?
This pistol was originally a military accepted P08. The chamber date was removed and replaced with the crown. Anyway, I wouldn't look at one of the more important (read: wealthy) royal houses, but more at second or third rate royalty. After WW1. |
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It is not a t-shirt, it is a textile bag given to my wife by the German Consul of Istanbul (there was something inside, I can not remember now). I sometimes use the German flag as background, when I take photos of Lugers.
Dear Vlim, so you mean that a low grade royal family bought this pistol and let the date be removed and stamped it with their own symbol (crown) ? Actually, this crown looks really like the Erfurt Crown. At first sight I thought one of our North Anatolian gun smiths made a crown stamp and applied it on this pistol. However the crown is too good made to be fake (I suppose). In other words, should we accept this gun as a royal family pistol, if yes can anyone help to find out to which royal family it belongs? |
07-26-2011, 02:08 PM | #13 |
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Hi Evren, My theory, for what it's worth, is that this Luger was one of a small lot made by DWM in 1912/13, with a generic crown stamped chamber, in the hope of securing a Turkish order. We could narrow down the production date if we knew whether this gun has a hold-open and stock lug. Regards, Norm
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Here is a good place to get started
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_royal_crowns It actually seems to resemble the Romanian crown ... |
07-27-2011, 11:32 AM | #15 |
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I agree with MIM; military accepted and date later remove. TH
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