The luger trigger

cashdds · 01-31-2010, 07:36 PM

As all of you Luger afficionados have no doubt noticed, the Luger has a semi circular trigger that is quite different in appearance than the 1911a1 and, say, the Browning High Power (aka P-35). My question is: Can anyone tell me the reasons behind the adoption of this particular trigger shape?

Vlim · 01-31-2010, 07:42 PM

It looked cute.

Apart from that, it's a bit of a form follows function issue that also tied in with the design 'fashion' of those days. The luger pistol has a lot of design features that can be attributed to the Jugendstil / Art Deco style of those days.

What also influence the design of several luger parts was the request by DWM to Georg Luger to keep as much of the Borchardt design as possible, in order to reduce the cost for retooling.

cashdds · 01-31-2010, 08:00 PM

Interesting..... I would have figured the French would have been more inclined to incorporate such "fashion" into their little "fu fu"pistols.

I found it strange on the Luger since it appears to allow the trigger finger to "reset" the trigger if it failed to do so on its own... but seeing as the Luger has no "second strike" capability it would seem to be a useless attribute in those regards.
Unless..... due to the tight nature of the pistol and its disdain for dust and debris, it was thought to help move the trigger back and forth and hopefully knock free any trapped battlefield "gunk."
I can see the Germans thinking in this respect....

Drachenstein · 02-01-2010, 06:04 PM

French had no need of fashion weapons, they were only intended to be dropped once. I heard the Chauchat did make an excellent still though.

Frank

sheepherder · 02-01-2010, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

What also influence the design of several luger parts was the request by DWM to Georg Luger to keep as much of the Borchardt design as possible, in order to reduce the cost for retooling.

In fact, the more you look at a disassembled Borchardt, the more you realize that Georg Luger didn't do all that much in the way of design...He "streamlined" Borchardt's design...

I know, that is close to heresy in this Forum...

Vlim · 02-01-2010, 06:57 PM

You are not far from the truth. Luger wasn't a design genius. He was a patenting genius. There is a difference

Paul Mauser, Isidor Loewe and Paul von Gontard thought he was a bit of an **shole, and although he remained on friendly terms with Hugo Borchardt, they had their fair share of professional disputes as well.

The reason that he died broke was mainly his own fault. He made too many enemies in the wrong places so when there was a chance to get rid of him, they did kick him out of the company.

alvin · 02-01-2010, 09:10 PM

How is Luger's coil type main spring? The structure looks very creative.

Ron Wood · 02-01-2010, 09:21 PM

Who did what in the coil mainspring design is not completely clear, but the Dutch had a hand in it. Whether they actually created the working design or merely stated a requirement and left the implementation to DWM is not, to my knowledge, a matter of record.

01-31-2010, 07:36 PM	#1
cashdds New User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The luger trigger As all of you Luger afficionados have no doubt noticed, the Luger has a semi circular trigger that is quite different in appearance than the 1911a1 and, say, the Browning High Power (aka P-35). My question is: Can anyone tell me the reasons behind the adoption of this particular trigger shape?

01-31-2010, 08:00 PM	#3
cashdds New User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	luger trigger Interesting..... I would have figured the French would have been more inclined to incorporate such "fashion" into their little "fu fu"pistols. I found it strange on the Luger since it appears to allow the trigger finger to "reset" the trigger if it failed to do so on its own... but seeing as the Luger has no "second strike" capability it would seem to be a useless attribute in those regards. Unless..... due to the tight nature of the pistol and its disdain for dust and debris, it was thought to help move the trigger back and forth and hopefully knock free any trapped battlefield "gunk." I can see the Germans thinking in this respect....

02-01-2010, 09:21 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,241 Times in 1,719 Posts	Who did what in the coil mainspring design is not completely clear, but the Dutch had a hand in it. Whether they actually created the working design or merely stated a requirement and left the implementation to DWM is not, to my knowledge, a matter of record. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-31-2010, 07:42 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	It looked cute. Apart from that, it's a bit of a form follows function issue that also tied in with the design 'fashion' of those days. The luger pistol has a lot of design features that can be attributed to the Jugendstil / Art Deco style of those days. What also influence the design of several luger parts was the request by DWM to Georg Luger to keep as much of the Borchardt design as possible, in order to reduce the cost for retooling.

02-01-2010, 06:04 PM	#4
Drachenstein User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	French had no need of fashion weapons, they were only intended to be dropped once. I heard the Chauchat did make an excellent still though. Frank

02-01-2010, 06:57 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	You are not far from the truth. Luger wasn't a design genius. He was a patenting genius. There is a difference Paul Mauser, Isidor Loewe and Paul von Gontard thought he was a bit of an **shole, and although he remained on friendly terms with Hugo Borchardt, they had their fair share of professional disputes as well. The reason that he died broke was mainly his own fault. He made too many enemies in the wrong places so when there was a chance to get rid of him, they did kick him out of the company.

02-01-2010, 09:10 PM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	How is Luger's coil type main spring? The structure looks very creative.