german names for other pistols

Patrick Mc Mahon · 05-13-2009, 12:43 PM

I know the luger was called theP-08 in the German forces. What did they call the Reich revolver,the mauser 1914?
what about the artillary model, was it still a P-08? Or is that the Lange P-08?
Just wondering!
Patrick

Edward Tinker · 05-13-2009, 01:19 PM

Artillery is the Lange P08, commonlly written as LP08.

Whats interesting to me is that we always say Luger or P08, but in other countries it was called soemthing else, examples of countries that issued the P08

Holland (the Netherlands)
Brazil
Bulgaria
the Swiss
Finland
Norway

Douglas Jr. · 05-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Artillery is the Lange P08, commonlly written as LP08.

Whats interesting to me is that we always say Luger or P08, but in other countries it was called soemthing else, examples of countries that issued the P08

Holland (the Netherlands)
Brazil
Bulgaria
the Swiss
Finland
Norway

Ed,

I'm in contact with some Brazilian Army officers in order to find some old instruction book where the Luger's oficial denomination could be found.

I hope to have this information soon and I'll gladly share with you guys.

Douglas

jussi16 · 05-14-2009, 12:55 AM

Hello!

In Finland we call the pistol just "parabellum".

Vlim · 05-14-2009, 05:55 AM

In the Netherlands it was a bit more complicated, as the Luger was accepted by both the Dutch East Indies army (KNIL) and the navy. Official KNIL designation was 'Pistool M11', 11 referring to the fiscal year of 1911 when it was officially adopted. The Navy had already adopted a bunch of WW1 navy lugers under the designation 'Pistool Automatisch Nr. 1' (automatic pistol nr. 1) and the new P08 models they bought in the 1930s were also referred to as the 'Pistool Nr. 1'. Non-official names were the 'Vickers' in the East Indies and 'Luger' in the Netherlands.

The unofficial household name over here in the Netherlands is still 'Luger'.

PhilOhio · 05-14-2009, 10:50 AM

Vlim,

Your reference to "KNIL" could explain the single ownership or proof mark on the right side of the barrel extension of my Dutch Luger, from the 3rd delivery (1930) of the 1928 contract. I've never found a picture of the marking on this site, but it is a circle around interlocking characters which might include a "K", an "I", and an "L".

I've heard the purchaser of these pistols referred to as either the "Department of the Colonies" or the "Dutch East Indies Army".

Which is correct, and am I seeing a KNIL ownership or proof mark?

Vlim · 05-14-2009, 12:16 PM

Hi,

It's not a proof mark. The KOL marking is now generally accepted as being an acceptance/property mark for the Department of Colonies (Departement der Kolonien) which became responsible for acceptance of goods destined for the colonies (of which the Dutch East Indies were one) around 1928.

Lugerdoc · 05-18-2009, 10:24 AM

Interesting question. The only WW1 military pistol designations that I can recall are C96, PO8 and LPO8. All of the other military accepted alternate pistols seemed to go by their commerical manufacturer's name and model. In WW2, it appears that the Nazi military admin-types were more apt to assign or adopt more designations: P38, P35(p), P35(b), P37(u), P27, 38H, 98k, G or K43, FTG44, etc. TH

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Patrick Mc Mahon User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	german names for other pistols I know the luger was called theP-08 in the German forces. What did they call the Reich revolver,the mauser 1914? what about the artillary model, was it still a P-08? Or is that the Lange P-08? Just wondering! Patrick

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,594 Times in 2,116 Posts	Artillery is the Lange P08, commonlly written as LP08. Whats interesting to me is that we always say Luger or P08, but in other countries it was called soemthing else, examples of countries that issued the P08 Holland (the Netherlands) Brazil Bulgaria the Swiss Finland Norway __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Interesting question. The only WW1 military pistol designations that I can recall are C96, PO8 and LPO8. All of the other military accepted alternate pistols seemed to go by their commerical manufacturer's name and model. In WW2, it appears that the Nazi military admin-types were more apt to assign or adopt more designations: P38, P35(p), P35(b), P37(u), P27, 38H, 98k, G or K43, FTG44, etc. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Hello! In Finland we call the pistol just "parabellum".

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Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	In the Netherlands it was a bit more complicated, as the Luger was accepted by both the Dutch East Indies army (KNIL) and the navy. Official KNIL designation was 'Pistool M11', 11 referring to the fiscal year of 1911 when it was officially adopted. The Navy had already adopted a bunch of WW1 navy lugers under the designation 'Pistool Automatisch Nr. 1' (automatic pistol nr. 1) and the new P08 models they bought in the 1930s were also referred to as the 'Pistool Nr. 1'. Non-official names were the 'Vickers' in the East Indies and 'Luger' in the Netherlands. The unofficial household name over here in the Netherlands is still 'Luger'.

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PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Vlim, Your reference to "KNIL" could explain the single ownership or proof mark on the right side of the barrel extension of my Dutch Luger, from the 3rd delivery (1930) of the 1928 contract. I've never found a picture of the marking on this site, but it is a circle around interlocking characters which might include a "K", an "I", and an "L". I've heard the purchaser of these pistols referred to as either the "Department of the Colonies" or the "Dutch East Indies Army". Which is correct, and am I seeing a KNIL ownership or proof mark?

05-14-2009, 12:16 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, It's not a proof mark. The KOL marking is now generally accepted as being an acceptance/property mark for the Department of Colonies (Departement der Kolonien) which became responsible for acceptance of goods destined for the colonies (of which the Dutch East Indies were one) around 1928.