My dads Luger

jeeptrailing · 10-02-2007, 01:28 AM

Hello,
My dad has had this Luger and accessories for about 40 years.He is currently looking for information on the gun and snail drum.He said that it is a 7.65mm and that all of the gun parts have matching numbers.He thinks that the guy that he bought it from said that it has been re blued.What model Luger is it?What might these items be worth?Any info will be appreciated.
Thankyou

Edward Tinker · 10-02-2007, 08:50 AM

tac, I didn't know some alledeged erudite posters made comments about your lack of luger knowledge. I guess they were the idiots, as your knowledge is almost as good as mine, and I'm almost an erudite (I think, I will look that word oup later).

As tac said, your luger being reblued is now a shooter, still worth about $500-$700 in the US of A (prison time in the UK if not registered).

Your holster is a bit beaten, but looks like it was / is a police model, any markings on the rear or other places?

Your trommellmagazine is proabably worth $1000-$1500, again depending on the neighborhood in the US of A. I myself do not own one yet, they are cool.

Well, let me go and see what kind of collector I am in Websters dictionary, but remember tac gets his feelings hurt from these low-brow americans, although he can probably whoop most of them blindfolded (unarmed or with a book)

Ed

G.T. · 10-02-2007, 09:26 AM

Ed! If I'm not mistaken?? I know less then half of what you know! Which, I firmly believe, is twice of what some people know... Which is less then .25% of what I think I really know...which is??... Well hell, you do the math, that's why your in management in the first place!

It's just a theory, but I'm more than 50% sure, ( that's "Pretty sure" for all you in the bottom 50%) we all know something??

BTW Tac.. I'm pretty sure (50% again), you know more then me.. but probably less the the guy ahead of you! .. All in good fun of course! Best to all... til...lat'r....GT

G.T. · 10-02-2007, 11:10 AM

Hi Tac, I dissagree! I have alway enjoyed you posts on Lugers and I read them with interest, both for your viewpoint, and knowledge on all aspects of firearms use and history... I think your response and opinion on the above Luger very well stated and accurate.. And with that being said...I have a question for you that breaks off in a little different direction... What know you of the famous "Sykes Fairbairn" fighting knives... I have just started collecting them and was amazed at the price that some of the early ones are commanding.... Did you carry one in the Falkland islands war, if so, was it issue or private purchase?... or were they obsolete?? Best to you Tac, and all, til...lat'r...GT

lugerholsterrepair · 10-02-2007, 11:52 AM

How did this thread turn into an analysis of what you guys don't know? This could run on for many pages if we're discussing what Tac, Ed and G.T. don't know!
The Pistol as Ed says is in the $500-600 USD range because whoever reblued it went to sleep while he was buffing it. When he woke up much of the pistol was gone as Tac says. Unfortunate but happened to many pistols after the War. The wood bottom mag is worth $100+
I cannot see the back of your holster so I cannot give but an estimate..
$200-300 USD
Currently snail drums are selling for $1000-1500 USD The most important thing about these it to determine condition. Does it fit into the pistol easily? If not, it's bent.
For a quick sale..$1000- hang onto to it and find the guy willing to fork it over $1400- might take awhile.
Jerry Burney

Aaron · 10-02-2007, 02:01 PM

Jerry, I just sold an identical trommel mag for $1500 with no quibbling.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-02-2007, 06:18 PM

Tac, See! I don't know ^%$# already! I think we might have to flip a coin for who's champion there...Heads you win, tails I lose...

Aaron, These things have been going up for sure...What hasn't?
Jerry Burney

Alx · 10-02-2007, 07:47 PM

Heads you win, tails I lose, ..... that's like .... half, the one, six-dozen the other.....

Don M · 10-02-2007, 10:36 PM

Although it was heavily buffed, I'm not sure why tac feels a chamber date was buffed off. This Luger is C/N proofed, sn 2602n and at least one of the photos shows it was numbered in the commercial manner. I think it likely that this is a commercial Alphabet DWM produced in 1924 and never had a chamber date. My two cents.

jeeptrailing · 10-02-2007, 11:30 PM

Wow! I can not thankyou all enough for your information.This site is an excellent source of information and comradery.My dad has informed me that he has two additional clips.The Luger is .30 cal and the last time that he shot it was probably 30 years ago.He said that it was a pleasure to shoot and the Trommel clip works as well.
I will attach additional pic's within the next two weeks, you see my dad lives across the state from me and I will not see him nor the gun for about two weeks.
Thanks again for the information My dad and I appreciate it.

John Sabato · 10-03-2007, 11:58 AM

Hi Jeeptrailing...

Welcome to the Lugerforum.

I hope you enjoy your Luger and TM-08 drum magazine.

Just a caution to someone new to Lugers... with a rare accessory...

The trommelmagazine is legal to use with any Luger pistol (in most states except those having laws against hi-capacity magazines---If the CA in your location field is California, perhaps some other member who lives there can advise you...).

In the event that you have a shoulder stock, it is NOT legal to attach even an original shoulder stock to this pistol, which is often an accompanying accessory to a trommelmagazine...

To attach a shoulder stock to this pistol would be a federal felony under the National Firearms Act of 1934. To do so constructs a "short-barreled-rifle" or SBR (shoulder arms under 16" barrel).

The only way to legally do so is to register the gun with the ATF as an SBR and pay a tax of $200.00 BEFORE you attach the stock.

Depending on which ATF office you are dealing with, some agents consider the possession of both a Luger pistol and shoulder stock to be "constructive intent" to make an SBR... and could cause you much grief if you were to be observed using a shoulder stock.

Be careful with your new treasure... it is a beauty.

policeluger · 10-03-2007, 12:23 PM

In California, a high cap mag is legal if you can prove, if need arises, that the mag was in your possession before the hi-cap ban...there is no way that you can attach the stock to the gun and get away with it, be very careful....

jeeptrailing · 10-03-2007, 08:08 PM

Thankyou for the education and advice regarding the hi-cap and SBR law's.I informed my friend about the SBR law due to the fact that he has a 9mm Artillery Luger with the stock.I asked him to email some pic's of his Luger, which he says has the original finish, so that we can share with you all.Apparently this Luger was his grandpas Luger and was passed down to him.

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2007, 08:59 PM

An artillery or navy is an exception to the rule!!! IF the correct stock is with the artillery or the navy luger.

IT IS NOT AN SBR violation to have a stock with an artillery or a navy. As a for instanace, I own a navy or an artillery AND possess an artillery stock or a navy stock, I can also own 2, 3, 10, or 30 4 inch barrel lugers and would NOT be in violation.

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO VIOLATION. Just because I have a stock does not mean I can't own 4 inch lugers. It is using a 4 inch with a stock (and there are exceptions, the ideal stock is authrorized to be with a 4 3/4 inch luger.

Ed

10-02-2007, 01:28 AM	#1
jeeptrailing New User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rohnert Park,Ca. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My dads Luger Hello, My dad has had this Luger and accessories for about 40 years.He is currently looking for information on the gun and snail drum.He said that it is a 7.65mm and that all of the gun parts have matching numbers.He thinks that the guy that he bought it from said that it has been re blued.What model Luger is it?What might these items be worth?Any info will be appreciated. Thankyou

10-02-2007, 08:50 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	tac, I didn't know some alledeged erudite posters made comments about your lack of luger knowledge. I guess they were the idiots, as your knowledge is almost as good as mine, and I'm almost an erudite (I think, I will look that word oup later). As tac said, your luger being reblued is now a shooter, still worth about $500-$700 in the US of A (prison time in the UK if not registered). Your holster is a bit beaten, but looks like it was / is a police model, any markings on the rear or other places? Your trommellmagazine is proabably worth $1000-$1500, again depending on the neighborhood in the US of A. I myself do not own one yet, they are cool. Well, let me go and see what kind of collector I am in Websters dictionary, but remember tac gets his feelings hurt from these low-brow americans, although he can probably whoop most of them blindfolded (unarmed or with a book) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-02-2007, 09:26 AM	#3
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,526 Thanks: 1,323 Thanked 3,709 Times in 1,013 Posts	Knowledge! Ed! If I'm not mistaken?? I know less then half of what you know! Which, I firmly believe, is twice of what some people know... Which is less then .25% of what I think I really know...which is??... Well hell, you do the math, that's why your in management in the first place! It's just a theory, but I'm more than 50% sure, ( that's "Pretty sure" for all you in the bottom 50%) we all know something?? BTW Tac.. I'm pretty sure (50% again), you know more then me.. but probably less the the guy ahead of you! .. All in good fun of course! Best to all... til...lat'r....GT

10-02-2007, 11:10 AM	#4
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,526 Thanks: 1,323 Thanked 3,709 Times in 1,013 Posts	Luger lore Hi Tac, I dissagree! I have alway enjoyed you posts on Lugers and I read them with interest, both for your viewpoint, and knowledge on all aspects of firearms use and history... I think your response and opinion on the above Luger very well stated and accurate.. And with that being said...I have a question for you that breaks off in a little different direction... What know you of the famous "Sykes Fairbairn" fighting knives... I have just started collecting them and was amazed at the price that some of the early ones are commanding.... Did you carry one in the Falkland islands war, if so, was it issue or private purchase?... or were they obsolete?? Best to you Tac, and all, til...lat'r...GT

10-02-2007, 11:52 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	How did this thread turn into an analysis of what you guys don't know? This could run on for many pages if we're discussing what Tac, Ed and G.T. don't know! The Pistol as Ed says is in the $500-600 USD range because whoever reblued it went to sleep while he was buffing it. When he woke up much of the pistol was gone as Tac says. Unfortunate but happened to many pistols after the War. The wood bottom mag is worth $100+ I cannot see the back of your holster so I cannot give but an estimate.. $200-300 USD Currently snail drums are selling for $1000-1500 USD The most important thing about these it to determine condition. Does it fit into the pistol easily? If not, it's bent. For a quick sale..$1000- hang onto to it and find the guy willing to fork it over $1400- might take awhile. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-02-2007, 02:01 PM	#6
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Jerry, I just sold an identical trommel mag for $1500 with no quibbling.

10-02-2007, 06:18 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Tac, See! I don't know ^%$# already! I think we might have to flip a coin for who's champion there...Heads you win, tails I lose... Aaron, These things have been going up for sure...What hasn't? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-02-2007, 07:47 PM	#8
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Heads you win, tails I lose, ..... that's like .... half, the one, six-dozen the other.....

10-02-2007, 10:36 PM	#9
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Although it was heavily buffed, I'm not sure why tac feels a chamber date was buffed off. This Luger is C/N proofed, sn 2602n and at least one of the photos shows it was numbered in the commercial manner. I think it likely that this is a commercial Alphabet DWM produced in 1924 and never had a chamber date. My two cents. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

10-02-2007, 11:30 PM	#10
jeeptrailing New User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rohnert Park,Ca. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow! I can not thankyou all enough for your information.This site is an excellent source of information and comradery.My dad has informed me that he has two additional clips.The Luger is .30 cal and the last time that he shot it was probably 30 years ago.He said that it was a pleasure to shoot and the Trommel clip works as well. I will attach additional pic's within the next two weeks, you see my dad lives across the state from me and I will not see him nor the gun for about two weeks. Thanks again for the information My dad and I appreciate it.

10-03-2007, 11:58 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hi Jeeptrailing... Welcome to the Lugerforum. I hope you enjoy your Luger and TM-08 drum magazine. Just a caution to someone new to Lugers... with a rare accessory... The trommelmagazine is legal to use with any Luger pistol (in most states except those having laws against hi-capacity magazines---If the CA in your location field is California, perhaps some other member who lives there can advise you...). In the event that you have a shoulder stock, it is NOT legal to attach even an original shoulder stock to this pistol, which is often an accompanying accessory to a trommelmagazine... To attach a shoulder stock to this pistol would be a federal felony under the National Firearms Act of 1934. To do so constructs a "short-barreled-rifle" or SBR (shoulder arms under 16" barrel). The only way to legally do so is to register the gun with the ATF as an SBR and pay a tax of $200.00 BEFORE you attach the stock. Depending on which ATF office you are dealing with, some agents consider the possession of both a Luger pistol and shoulder stock to be "constructive intent" to make an SBR... and could cause you much grief if you were to be observed using a shoulder stock. Be careful with your new treasure... it is a beauty. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-03-2007, 12:23 PM	#12
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	In California, a high cap mag is legal if you can prove, if need arises, that the mag was in your possession before the hi-cap ban...there is no way that you can attach the stock to the gun and get away with it, be very careful....

10-03-2007, 08:08 PM	#13
jeeptrailing New User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Rohnert Park,Ca. Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thankyou for the education and advice regarding the hi-cap and SBR law's.I informed my friend about the SBR law due to the fact that he has a 9mm Artillery Luger with the stock.I asked him to email some pic's of his Luger, which he says has the original finish, so that we can share with you all.Apparently this Luger was his grandpas Luger and was passed down to him.

10-03-2007, 08:59 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,963 Thanks: 2,064 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	An artillery or navy is an exception to the rule!!! IF the correct stock is with the artillery or the navy luger. IT IS NOT AN SBR violation to have a stock with an artillery or a navy. As a for instanace, I own a navy or an artillery AND possess an artillery stock or a navy stock, I can also own 2, 3, 10, or 30 4 inch barrel lugers and would NOT be in violation. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO VIOLATION. Just because I have a stock does not mean I can't own 4 inch lugers. It is using a 4 inch with a stock (and there are exceptions, the ideal stock is authrorized to be with a 4 3/4 inch luger. Ed