C&R Renewal

Ron Smith · 06-20-2007, 09:26 AM

This subject has been discussed on several previous posts with pro and con replies.

I recently attempted to renew my C&R. I filled out the application as per instructions, or so I thought, and sent it off with the fee. A week later I got it back with a cover letter indicating that I filled it out incorrectly. I answered two of the "yes / no" questions wrong. "Gastro-neurological impulse".

Also as before, I didn't send a copy of the application to my local law enforcement office. I had an 01 FFL for several years and never did this as it was not required by my local agencies. And didn't do it when I got my first C&R. And assumed that it was proper procedure. I corrected the answers, sent a copy of the application to the Lane County Sheriff's office. Marked it sent to "Lane Co, Sheriff" and mailed it off again.

About 2 weeks later I received a phone message from BATF saying that they needed the "Name" of the Lane Co. Sheriff on the application. I got busy and forgot to call back.

Yesterday I received the application back in the mail with another cover letter saying the same thing. So, I put his name on it and it's going back today.

The point that I'm getting to is that, as much as I have heard about what a P.I.A. the BATF can be. Is that they went to every extent to see to it that I received my C&R and all was done correctly.

They could have just said, "You're too dumb to have one. You don't know how to fill out the application. So we're just not going to bother." Instead, they went the extra mile...

I have gained a new respect for them, inspite of the horror stories that I have heard over the years.

lew1 · 06-20-2007, 11:18 AM

You had a nice person at ATF.

Now if I had your papers, well, the first thing I would have done is to have scheduled a compliance exam at 4 AM in the morning, which you would have learned about as we were knocking on the door.

Karl · 06-20-2007, 03:13 PM

My experience with BATF regarding licenses has been good so far, with reasonably timely response by mail. However, if you need to reach them by phone forget about it. KFS

jamese · 06-20-2007, 08:11 PM

Just a little info for those interested; the licensing compliance people are in a different Division than the investigative people. Most of the horror stories that I have heard are from the folks in the investigative units

Ron Smith · 06-20-2007, 09:37 PM

James,

Glad you're in Canada and in a non- governmental position.

Karl,

I have had good luck with phone calls to the Portland OR branch.

Jim,

I know that the investigators can be hard a&&'s. I've dealt with criminal investigation Postal Inspectors. Some of them are spooky people. Some are just plain jerks...

jamese · 06-22-2007, 06:55 AM

Ron,

Like you, I soon hope to be retired too, at this point I have to do and say alot more than that to get on the sh_t list.

Thanks for looking out for me.

Ron Smith · 06-22-2007, 08:55 AM

Jim,

You won't regret retirement. The best decision that I ever made.

Ron

06-20-2007, 09:26 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	C&R Renewal This subject has been discussed on several previous posts with pro and con replies. I recently attempted to renew my C&R. I filled out the application as per instructions, or so I thought, and sent it off with the fee. A week later I got it back with a cover letter indicating that I filled it out incorrectly. I answered two of the "yes / no" questions wrong. "Gastro-neurological impulse". Also as before, I didn't send a copy of the application to my local law enforcement office. I had an 01 FFL for several years and never did this as it was not required by my local agencies. And didn't do it when I got my first C&R. And assumed that it was proper procedure. I corrected the answers, sent a copy of the application to the Lane County Sheriff's office. Marked it sent to "Lane Co, Sheriff" and mailed it off again. About 2 weeks later I received a phone message from BATF saying that they needed the "Name" of the Lane Co. Sheriff on the application. I got busy and forgot to call back. Yesterday I received the application back in the mail with another cover letter saying the same thing. So, I put his name on it and it's going back today. The point that I'm getting to is that, as much as I have heard about what a P.I.A. the BATF can be. Is that they went to every extent to see to it that I received my C&R and all was done correctly. They could have just said, "You're too dumb to have one. You don't know how to fill out the application. So we're just not going to bother." Instead, they went the extra mile... I have gained a new respect for them, inspite of the horror stories that I have heard over the years. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-20-2007, 08:11 PM	#4
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Just a little info for those interested; the licensing compliance people are in a different Division than the investigative people. Most of the horror stories that I have heard are from the folks in the investigative units __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

06-20-2007, 09:37 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	James, Glad you're in Canada and in a non- governmental position. Karl, I have had good luck with phone calls to the Portland OR branch. Jim, I know that the investigators can be hard a&&'s. I've dealt with criminal investigation Postal Inspectors. Some of them are spooky people. Some are just plain jerks... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-22-2007, 06:55 AM	#6
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Ron, Like you, I soon hope to be retired too, at this point I have to do and say alot more than that to get on the sh_t list. Thanks for looking out for me. __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

06-22-2007, 08:55 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jim, You won't regret retirement. The best decision that I ever made. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-20-2007, 11:18 AM	#2
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	You had a nice person at ATF. Now if I had your papers, well, the first thing I would have done is to have scheduled a compliance exam at 4 AM in the morning, which you would have learned about as we were knocking on the door.

06-20-2007, 03:13 PM	#3
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 529 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	My experience with BATF regarding licenses has been good so far, with reasonably timely response by mail. However, if you need to reach them by phone forget about it. KFS