DWM modifications to the frame in 1915?

Quentin · 05-26-2007, 02:36 AM

Halfway down page 149 of John Walter's The Luger Story he says DWM "made minor changes to the rear part of the frame and the return-spring housing in 1915..." And he also says all Erfurt frames have this modification.

Has anyone seen these changes or pictures of them? Just curious what they were as there's an outside chance this could help me date a 1915-18 DWM frame (SN: 4547i) on my mixed parts shooter.

Edward Tinker · 05-26-2007, 09:43 AM

I believe this is discussed as the Mauser hump or bump, see the FAQ for a discussion on it...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=13121

drbuster · 05-26-2007, 09:51 AM

Ed, I think Quentin is referring to the so-called "reinforced" frame that was written up so well in one of Kenyon's Gun Report articles a few years ago.

Edward Tinker · 05-26-2007, 10:49 AM

Thanks Herb, I do not remember ever hearing of this

Dwight Gruber · 05-26-2007, 12:49 PM

Quentin,

See these two threads for exhaustive discussion of the topic.

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=frame
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=frame

--Dwight

Quentin · 05-26-2007, 04:29 PM

Thanks, Dwight! Both of your threads are excellent and explain the modifications clearly. Very kind of you to give me the links.

Surprising that Walter didn't clear this up in The Luger Story as it certainly was in error in his earlier books.

Edward Tinker · 05-26-2007, 04:39 PM

I don't think this was cleared up until Dwight brought it to life and light...

Quentin · 05-26-2007, 05:57 PM

Well he did a great job, Ed, and his illustrations really helped me understand what the mods were. Top notch work as usual, Dwight!

These forums are a gold mine of information.

Dwight Gruber · 05-26-2007, 06:56 PM

All y'all are too kind...

--Dwight

05-26-2007, 02:36 AM	#1
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	DWM modifications to the frame in 1915? Halfway down page 149 of John Walter's The Luger Story he says DWM "made minor changes to the rear part of the frame and the return-spring housing in 1915..." And he also says all Erfurt frames have this modification. Has anyone seen these changes or pictures of them? Just curious what they were as there's an outside chance this could help me date a 1915-18 DWM frame (SN: 4547i) on my mixed parts shooter.

05-26-2007, 10:49 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Thanks Herb, I do not remember ever hearing of this __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-26-2007, 04:39 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I don't think this was cleared up until Dwight brought it to life and light... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-26-2007, 09:43 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I believe this is discussed as the Mauser hump or bump, see the FAQ for a discussion on it... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...threadid=13121

05-26-2007, 09:51 AM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Ed, I think Quentin is referring to the so-called "reinforced" frame that was written up so well in one of Kenyon's Gun Report articles a few years ago.

05-26-2007, 12:49 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Quentin, See these two threads for exhaustive discussion of the topic. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=frame http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ighlight=frame --Dwight

05-26-2007, 04:29 PM	#6
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Dwight! Both of your threads are excellent and explain the modifications clearly. Very kind of you to give me the links. Surprising that Walter didn't clear this up in The Luger Story as it certainly was in error in his earlier books.

05-26-2007, 05:57 PM	#8
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Well he did a great job, Ed, and his illustrations really helped me understand what the mods were. Top notch work as usual, Dwight! These forums are a gold mine of information.

05-26-2007, 06:56 PM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	All y'all are too kind... --Dwight