1941 byf matching numbers?

Quentin · 04-09-2007, 04:27 PM

I have a 41 byf SN 7345u that has matching numbers, 45, as expected on most parts but the toggle/receiver pin is marked 74. Also the side plate is numbered 45 as it should be but on the inside it's stamped 74. Guess the connector pin should be 45, right?

I don't have this Luger handy so am going by notes I took years ago but should have it in a few days and will post pictures. It's a beautful pistol that's hardly been used.

Frank · 04-09-2007, 08:12 PM

Hello again! The main toggle pin should be numbered 45. The trigger plate is properly numbered!

Quentin · 04-10-2007, 02:58 PM

Darn, too bad about the toggle receiver pin! Somebody dyslexic like me got a hold of it along the way.

Hopefully I can get some pictures up tomorrow.

Frank · 04-10-2007, 03:40 PM

Hey Bob, why don't you contact Tom Heller (Lugerdoc on the Forum). He sometimes has correctly numbered parts.

Heller Arms LTD.
Thomas W. Heller
PO Box 398
1420 Heritage Landing #101
St Charles, MO 63302
(636) 447-3006
HellerArms@webtv.net

Good Luck!!

Quentin · 04-11-2007, 01:14 PM

Thanks for the tip, Frank! I'll do just that, never hurts to have a spare toggle pin as that's the only part so far to break on my other mix&match Luger.

I'm not planning to sell the byf so it's not unethical to replace that part. Sure would love to have all numbers matching as it's the best Luger I'll ever have.

Quentin · 04-11-2007, 08:51 PM

Finally got some pictures:

Frank · 04-12-2007, 08:44 AM

Bob, really nice looking 41 byf!! Now you should replace that post war magazine with a black plastic bottom fxo WWII Magazine!!

Still too bad about the main toggle pin, but keep looking for the proper number pin!! It's out there somewhere!!

Quentin · 04-12-2007, 09:32 AM

Edited/updated....

Thanks Frank! This byf looks like it was stored away most of its life. Not much overall wear, very sharp edges with little bluing worn away but there are marks here and there. I'd almost swear it's unfired, I've never fired it in the ten years I've had it anyway. Unfortunately the take down lever is pretty dinged up, guess someone didn't know how to field strip the pistol.

Didn't realize the magazine pictured was post war. Good eye, you're right as usual! Now that I look at it, that magazine has to be of recent manufacture, maybe added as a second magazine just before I bought the pistol in about 1997. It and a WWII magazine that has fxo with 37 under it came with the pistol and I had the new looking mag inserted for the picture. I've switched to the fxo now that I know the difference.

I wonder if the "black widow" grips are original. I should take them off (very carefully I've read) and get good pictures of both sides.

Well now I have a clear view of the Mauser hump and the Mauser stock lug hole! Never noticed the difference from my DWM frame before.

Quentin · 04-13-2007, 04:38 PM

Well I hope these are original bakelite grips, how do they look to you guys? Guess it's time to google bakelite.

Edit: Well I'm fairly certain they are original, the inside surfaces don't look like modern plastic.
And when rub my thumb against the inside to warm the surface, I do notice a musty smell.
The material inside looks like what was used for old pot handles or distributor rotors.

Hopefully these pictures show enough detail.

I don't see any markings inside but the eyes don't focus up close anymore!

Thanks!

Bob

Quentin · 05-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frank
Hey Bob, why don't you contact Tom Heller (Lugerdoc on the Forum). He sometimes has correctly numbered parts.

Heller Arms LTD.
Thomas W. Heller
PO Box 398
1420 Heritage Landing #101
St Charles, MO 63302
(636) 447-3006
HellerArms@webtv.net

Good Luck!!

Thanks again, Frank! You were right, Tom just happened to have a #45 toggle pin so all matching now.

Frank · 05-04-2007, 12:36 PM

Hey Bob, it looks like you have restored your Luger to it's original configuration!! The grips look legit to me and with the addition of the main toggle pin you have done a great job!! Congratulations!!

04-09-2007, 04:27 PM	#1
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	1941 byf matching numbers? I have a 41 byf SN 7345u that has matching numbers, 45, as expected on most parts but the toggle/receiver pin is marked 74. Also the side plate is numbered 45 as it should be but on the inside it's stamped 74. Guess the connector pin should be 45, right? I don't have this Luger handy so am going by notes I took years ago but should have it in a few days and will post pictures. It's a beautful pistol that's hardly been used.

04-09-2007, 08:12 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hello again! The main toggle pin should be numbered 45. The trigger plate is properly numbered!

04-10-2007, 02:58 PM	#3
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Darn, too bad about the toggle receiver pin! Somebody dyslexic like me got a hold of it along the way. Hopefully I can get some pictures up tomorrow.

04-10-2007, 03:40 PM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Bob, why don't you contact Tom Heller (Lugerdoc on the Forum). He sometimes has correctly numbered parts. Heller Arms LTD. Thomas W. Heller PO Box 398 1420 Heritage Landing #101 St Charles, MO 63302 (636) 447-3006 HellerArms@webtv.net Good Luck!!

04-11-2007, 01:14 PM	#5
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks for the tip, Frank! I'll do just that, never hurts to have a spare toggle pin as that's the only part so far to break on my other mix&match Luger. I'm not planning to sell the byf so it's not unethical to replace that part. Sure would love to have all numbers matching as it's the best Luger I'll ever have.

04-11-2007, 08:51 PM	#6
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Finally got some pictures:

04-12-2007, 08:44 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Bob, really nice looking 41 byf!! Now you should replace that post war magazine with a black plastic bottom fxo WWII Magazine!! Still too bad about the main toggle pin, but keep looking for the proper number pin!! It's out there somewhere!!

04-12-2007, 09:32 AM	#8
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Edited/updated.... Thanks Frank! This byf looks like it was stored away most of its life. Not much overall wear, very sharp edges with little bluing worn away but there are marks here and there. I'd almost swear it's unfired, I've never fired it in the ten years I've had it anyway. Unfortunately the take down lever is pretty dinged up, guess someone didn't know how to field strip the pistol. Didn't realize the magazine pictured was post war. Good eye, you're right as usual! Now that I look at it, that magazine has to be of recent manufacture, maybe added as a second magazine just before I bought the pistol in about 1997. It and a WWII magazine that has fxo with 37 under it came with the pistol and I had the new looking mag inserted for the picture. I've switched to the fxo now that I know the difference. I wonder if the "black widow" grips are original. I should take them off (very carefully I've read) and get good pictures of both sides. Well now I have a clear view of the Mauser hump and the Mauser stock lug hole! Never noticed the difference from my DWM frame before.

04-13-2007, 04:38 PM	#9
Quentin User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NorthWest USA Posts: 124 Thanks: 59 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Well I hope these are original bakelite grips, how do they look to you guys? Guess it's time to google bakelite. Edit: Well I'm fairly certain they are original, the inside surfaces don't look like modern plastic. And when rub my thumb against the inside to warm the surface, I do notice a musty smell. The material inside looks like what was used for old pot handles or distributor rotors. Hopefully these pictures show enough detail. I don't see any markings inside but the eyes don't focus up close anymore! Thanks! Bob

05-04-2007, 12:36 PM	#11
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Bob, it looks like you have restored your Luger to it's original configuration!! The grips look legit to me and with the addition of the main toggle pin you have done a great job!! Congratulations!!