Help Identify

08-31-2001, 09:35 PM

Need help to identify a po8 that is for sale. Chamber date 1910 DWM on toggle All visable numbers match Here is where it gets tricky on the reciever top near the junction with the barrel is what appears to be the SS rune stamp also Nazi eagle proof on side of the frame. Magazine also has the SS marking on a wooden base. A light brown shoulder holster also stamped to the serial number of the pistol with a pocket for a second missing mag is included. On the back of the holster in ink is written some American's rank and name and other stuff. Is this thing a SS pistol ( as the owner says) or a fake or what ? Condition about 70 % Price being asked 950.00 Please help if you know

Doug · 08-31-2001, 09:45 PM

My first feelings are that it screams FAKE! But you can never tell? I do know that the SS was mainly armed with old or captured pistols. But they also could get reworks such as the "deaths head" model. I would say that if the price were lower what the hell take a chance. But at $950 if it is bogus you are going to lose, because it's been buggered with.

My .02 worth.

Joe · 09-01-2001, 12:09 AM

It is a fake. Some people in the military collecting business understand that a lot of folks are fascinated by anything marked SS.The seller is telling you it is an SS weapon, how does he know? Have you ever seen any markings like these on any other Luger? Doubt it. Take a pass on this gun and use the mony to buy a nice matched miltary Luger that you can always sell in the future, if you want to and never worry about the buying coming back to you with a complaint.

Big Norm · 09-01-2001, 01:00 PM

I totally agree with the previous entries toyour question. It just sickens me to see what some creeps will do to a perfectly good Luger to get a few bucks more for the gun. A few shows ago at the Ohio Gun Collectors show at the IX center in Ohio., there was a beautiful artillery Luger at the dealer engraved navy unit marks on. He was asking a very high price for it based on those markings. He was the laughing stock and scorn of all those at the show and probably didn't even now it. He had a lot of lookers but no buyers. Word spread around that show like a forest fire.

Nobody bought that gun at the show but some untrained person will someday pay big money for it thinking it real. The dealer acted very sincere and very knowlegable. But everyone at the show knew he was a joke. What really sickened me was that the gun was otherwise a very good artillery with nice original blue and matching parts. But this creep wanted to make a few exta bucks so he altered it. The engraving was fresh and otherwise obvious.

Everytime someone on the forum asks your question, I am reminded of this dealer. I have found that it is wise to find someone that has been around Lugers to help you remove emotion from the purchase of an expensive Luger. I have been collecting for 10-12 years and I know that I sometimes fall in love with a Luger that I have found and have overlooked what is obvious to a disinterested second party. The forum can help you but there is no substitude for picking up the gun in your hands, putting a light down the barrel and generally putting a magnifying glass all over the gun. Too much money is involved for cheats not to be tempted to take your hard earned money.

Big Norm

09-01-2001, 07:16 PM

Without the dubious markings, it would be an interesting collectible set with the telltale signs of use and perhaps some important history. The fighting SS received arms from regular army sources and there was no known effort to mark the old pistols pulled from storage and sent to SS units. The police, who were SS-managed during WW2, used police-type arms so if you want a likely SS luger, you might buy a 1941 police inspected luger in a shoulder holster.

Because of the SS runes, this gun has minimal value in the $500 area provided it is in good working order.

Too bad, a 1910 date is an interesting luger.

08-31-2001, 09:35 PM	#1
Johnny Guest Posts: n/a	Help Identify Need help to identify a po8 that is for sale. Chamber date 1910 DWM on toggle All visable numbers match Here is where it gets tricky on the reciever top near the junction with the barrel is what appears to be the SS rune stamp also Nazi eagle proof on side of the frame. Magazine also has the SS marking on a wooden base. A light brown shoulder holster also stamped to the serial number of the pistol with a pocket for a second missing mag is included. On the back of the holster in ink is written some American's rank and name and other stuff. Is this thing a SS pistol ( as the owner says) or a fake or what ? Condition about 70 % Price being asked 950.00 Please help if you know

08-31-2001, 09:45 PM	#2
Doug User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA Posts: 168 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help Identify My first feelings are that it screams FAKE! But you can never tell? I do know that the SS was mainly armed with old or captured pistols. But they also could get reworks such as the "deaths head" model. I would say that if the price were lower what the hell take a chance. But at $950 if it is bogus you are going to lose, because it's been buggered with. My .02 worth.

09-01-2001, 12:09 AM	#3
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help Identify It is a fake. Some people in the military collecting business understand that a lot of folks are fascinated by anything marked SS.The seller is telling you it is an SS weapon, how does he know? Have you ever seen any markings like these on any other Luger? Doubt it. Take a pass on this gun and use the mony to buy a nice matched miltary Luger that you can always sell in the future, if you want to and never worry about the buying coming back to you with a complaint.

09-01-2001, 01:00 PM	#4
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Help Identify I totally agree with the previous entries toyour question. It just sickens me to see what some creeps will do to a perfectly good Luger to get a few bucks more for the gun. A few shows ago at the Ohio Gun Collectors show at the IX center in Ohio., there was a beautiful artillery Luger at the dealer engraved navy unit marks on. He was asking a very high price for it based on those markings. He was the laughing stock and scorn of all those at the show and probably didn't even now it. He had a lot of lookers but no buyers. Word spread around that show like a forest fire. Nobody bought that gun at the show but some untrained person will someday pay big money for it thinking it real. The dealer acted very sincere and very knowlegable. But everyone at the show knew he was a joke. What really sickened me was that the gun was otherwise a very good artillery with nice original blue and matching parts. But this creep wanted to make a few exta bucks so he altered it. The engraving was fresh and otherwise obvious. Everytime someone on the forum asks your question, I am reminded of this dealer. I have found that it is wise to find someone that has been around Lugers to help you remove emotion from the purchase of an expensive Luger. I have been collecting for 10-12 years and I know that I sometimes fall in love with a Luger that I have found and have overlooked what is obvious to a disinterested second party. The forum can help you but there is no substitude for picking up the gun in your hands, putting a light down the barrel and generally putting a magnifying glass all over the gun. Too much money is involved for cheats not to be tempted to take your hard earned money. Big Norm

09-01-2001, 07:16 PM	#5
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Help Identify Without the dubious markings, it would be an interesting collectible set with the telltale signs of use and perhaps some important history. The fighting SS received arms from regular army sources and there was no known effort to mark the old pistols pulled from storage and sent to SS units. The police, who were SS-managed during WW2, used police-type arms so if you want a likely SS luger, you might buy a 1941 police inspected luger in a shoulder holster. Because of the SS runes, this gun has minimal value in the $500 area provided it is in good working order. Too bad, a 1910 date is an interesting luger.