Can someone explain this?

Steinar · 09-22-2006, 03:50 AM

I'm thinking of bying an Erfurt.. but I have never seen this (lever?) over the sideplate before.

Perhaps someone know it's purpose?

Steinar

George Anderson · 09-22-2006, 07:32 AM

That is a police sear safety.

Steinar · 09-22-2006, 07:37 AM

Thanks,
I'm a bit confused about it. As there is no spring cut over the grip, and no police markings on the frame..

Frank · 09-22-2006, 08:32 AM

Steinar, the frame cut (slice) and left grip modification on the upper left corner are for a magazine safety. This pistol has a sear safety!!

Ron Smith · 09-22-2006, 08:34 AM

Steinar,

Not all of the police lugers were unit marked. The magazine safety was not successful, and was not installed on all pistols. The ones that were installed were later disabled.

The sear safety was installed to prevent accidental discharge when the pistol was being stripped for cleaning, in case a round was left in the chamber.

Ron

Steinar · 09-22-2006, 10:00 AM

Thanks for the imput

I recently sold a police Luger, that one had a clear cut above grip and a hole trough the frame. Can't see any cut on this one.. do you guys think it is legit?

Hugh · 09-22-2006, 11:37 PM

Morgan,

You are confusing two different type of police safetys. The one you picture is a SEAR safety. The kind with the hole in the frame and the lever behind the trigger is a MAGAZINE safety. They are two different types of safetys performing two different functions. The sear safety made the upper unit unable to fire when removed from the frame. The magazine safety made the gun unable to fire by pulling the trigger when the magazine was removed. Your gun is ligit.

Edward Tinker · 09-23-2006, 06:32 AM

Top arrow is the sear safety

Bottom arrow is the magazine safety

There is a write up about about them in the FAQ,

Ed

Heinz · 09-23-2006, 07:54 AM

Morgan, sear safety only police pistols are not uncommon. They are thought to correspond to the 1932 to 35 era when the magazine safety was out of favor and the police ranks were rapidly expanding. Many are not unit marked and it is a reasonable speculation that they were being issued to the early Nazi police forces. There is some liklihood, I think, that these are the most likely original SS pistols.

Steinar · 09-23-2006, 08:49 AM

Now I understand!

Thanks again.. I was confused about this!

I'm going to let this Luger go, as the seller suddenly raised the price, to more than IÃ¢??m willing to pay.

Well... at least I don't have to spend the night on the couch

09-22-2006, 03:50 AM	#1
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Can someone explain this? I'm thinking of bying an Erfurt.. but I have never seen this (lever?) over the sideplate before. Perhaps someone know it's purpose? Steinar __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-22-2006, 07:37 AM	#3
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Thanks, I'm a bit confused about it. As there is no spring cut over the grip, and no police markings on the frame.. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-22-2006, 08:34 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Steinar, Not all of the police lugers were unit marked. The magazine safety was not successful, and was not installed on all pistols. The ones that were installed were later disabled. The sear safety was installed to prevent accidental discharge when the pistol was being stripped for cleaning, in case a round was left in the chamber. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-22-2006, 10:00 AM	#6
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Thanks for the imput I recently sold a police Luger, that one had a clear cut above grip and a hole trough the frame. Can't see any cut on this one.. do you guys think it is legit? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-22-2006, 11:37 PM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	Morgan, You are confusing two different type of police safetys. The one you picture is a SEAR safety. The kind with the hole in the frame and the lever behind the trigger is a MAGAZINE safety. They are two different types of safetys performing two different functions. The sear safety made the upper unit unable to fire when removed from the frame. The magazine safety made the gun unable to fire by pulling the trigger when the magazine was removed. Your gun is ligit. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-22-2006, 07:32 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	That is a police sear safety.

09-22-2006, 08:32 AM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Steinar, the frame cut (slice) and left grip modification on the upper left corner are for a magazine safety. This pistol has a sear safety!!

09-23-2006, 06:32 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Top arrow is the sear safety Bottom arrow is the magazine safety There is a write up about about them in the FAQ, Ed Attached Thumbnails

09-23-2006, 07:54 AM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Morgan, sear safety only police pistols are not uncommon. They are thought to correspond to the 1932 to 35 era when the magazine safety was out of favor and the police ranks were rapidly expanding. Many are not unit marked and it is a reasonable speculation that they were being issued to the early Nazi police forces. There is some liklihood, I think, that these are the most likely original SS pistols.

09-23-2006, 08:49 AM	#10
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Now I understand! Thanks again.. I was confused about this! I'm going to let this Luger go, as the seller suddenly raised the price, to more than IÃ¢??m willing to pay. Well... at least I don't have to spend the night on the couch __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane