KU info needed!

MarkC · 09-13-2006, 07:30 PM

Guys,

I'm going to an auction on September 23rd and saw this pistol in the catalog. I will view the guns I am bidding on this Friday before the auction.

Here is the edited description from the catalog ...

"serial number 4425 .. pistol has a 41 chamber and 42 coded toggle with Luftwaffe acceptance stamps on the barrel, bolt and barrel extention. 92% original blue with finish loss on the lower portion of the backstrap where the stock lug was removed and reblued with a very close color match ..... (The grips are matched to the gun) ... plastic based FXO magazine is also numbered to the gun.

Price is $2,000-3,000

What is it worth and is this correct?

I am a P.38 guy and don't know much about Lugers ... but kinda like this gun.

What should I look for?

Thanks,

Mark

lew1 · 09-13-2006, 08:25 PM

(If this helps)

I am looking at one now which will cost me $2000 (if I take it). Comes with a 1940 dated holster holster and a (unmarked) tool.

Edward Tinker · 09-13-2006, 08:32 PM

Mark, If you get it, you can compare it to mine, I have it here with me in NH

lew1 · 09-13-2006, 11:09 PM

Also, last week there was one (for sale) in a gun shop in Florence, Ky. but it has been refinished. I recall it being priced below $2,000. It is possible that it may still be there as there were also two artilleries also.

Just thought I would mention it.

Vlim · 09-14-2006, 05:41 AM

Hi,

The fact that someone removed the stocklug and reblued the area should lower the value considerably, even if it is a Ku.

John Sabato · 09-14-2006, 08:52 AM

My personal opinion is like Gerben V. ... $2000 is way too high for a gun that has been altered by complete removal of the stock lug... it would be a high class shooter in my opinion, not worth more than $700-1000. perhaps a little better than a Krieghoff that had undergone the Mexican engraving shop treatment..

I would pass on this one Mark... Number matched FXO mag with a bakelite bottom? that shouts FAKE to me... bakelite would shatter if stamped with a number... the numbers would have to be pantographed... I would bet dollars to donuts that the size and font of the numbers on the magazine do not match the timeperiod or the numbers on the gun...

MarkC · 09-14-2006, 09:15 AM

Thanks guys!

KU Lugers is not my area of expertise, the gun sounds like a "hump" but I'll take a quick look at it while I am there ...... I am actually going to be bidding on an e/l 1934 Mauser, two P.38's and a VOPO Luger.

Ed, are you going on the 23rd? The auction is in Manchester.

Mark

Lugerdoc · 09-14-2006, 09:26 AM

Mark & John S, The KU PO8s are the only ones that were issued with a panagraph numbered (numeric digit only) BPB FXO mag. TH

John Sabato · 09-14-2006, 11:33 AM

Hey Tom... thanks for that insight on the numbered BPB FXO mags... can you cite a reference for that info since so little is known about the Ku Lugers? or is that your experience in handling these types of Luger?

09-13-2006, 07:30 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	KU info needed! Guys, I'm going to an auction on September 23rd and saw this pistol in the catalog. I will view the guns I am bidding on this Friday before the auction. Here is the edited description from the catalog ... "serial number 4425 .. pistol has a 41 chamber and 42 coded toggle with Luftwaffe acceptance stamps on the barrel, bolt and barrel extention. 92% original blue with finish loss on the lower portion of the backstrap where the stock lug was removed and reblued with a very close color match ..... (The grips are matched to the gun) ... plastic based FXO magazine is also numbered to the gun. Price is $2,000-3,000 What is it worth and is this correct? I am a P.38 guy and don't know much about Lugers ... but kinda like this gun. What should I look for? Thanks, Mark

09-13-2006, 08:25 PM	#2
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	(If this helps) I am looking at one now which will cost me $2000 (if I take it). Comes with a 1940 dated holster holster and a (unmarked) tool. __________________ charlie

09-13-2006, 11:09 PM	#4
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Also, last week there was one (for sale) in a gun shop in Florence, Ky. but it has been refinished. I recall it being priced below $2,000. It is possible that it may still be there as there were also two artilleries also. Just thought I would mention it. __________________ charlie

09-14-2006, 08:52 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	My personal opinion is like Gerben V. ... $2000 is way too high for a gun that has been altered by complete removal of the stock lug... it would be a high class shooter in my opinion, not worth more than $700-1000. perhaps a little better than a Krieghoff that had undergone the Mexican engraving shop treatment.. I would pass on this one Mark... Number matched FXO mag with a bakelite bottom? that shouts FAKE to me... bakelite would shatter if stamped with a number... the numbers would have to be pantographed... I would bet dollars to donuts that the size and font of the numbers on the magazine do not match the timeperiod or the numbers on the gun... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-14-2006, 09:26 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Mark & John S, The KU PO8s are the only ones that were issued with a panagraph numbered (numeric digit only) BPB FXO mag. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

09-13-2006, 08:32 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Mark, If you get it, you can compare it to mine, I have it here with me in NH

09-14-2006, 05:41 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The fact that someone removed the stocklug and reblued the area should lower the value considerably, even if it is a Ku.

09-14-2006, 09:15 AM	#7
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 482 Thanks: 1 Thanked 126 Times in 29 Posts	Thanks guys! KU Lugers is not my area of expertise, the gun sounds like a "hump" but I'll take a quick look at it while I am there ...... I am actually going to be bidding on an e/l 1934 Mauser, two P.38's and a VOPO Luger. Ed, are you going on the 23rd? The auction is in Manchester. Mark

09-14-2006, 11:33 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hey Tom... thanks for that insight on the numbered BPB FXO mags... can you cite a reference for that info since so little is known about the Ku Lugers? or is that your experience in handling these types of Luger? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*