Help on 1 of 6 Lugers that I am "taking care" of **MORE PICS ADDED!!!!!**

Gun Oil · 06-13-2006, 12:24 AM

I have a friend who keeps 6 Lugers that belonged to a relative on his wifes side in a box, in his closet! He had other interests that parallel mine, and I may be able to trade in to these.

I convinced him to let me keep them for a few weeks to do my due diligence, and he has agreed.

This particular gun is interesting in that it has all kinds of stampings on the barrel that the other 5 are void of. It also has Proof Marks that don't jive with the ones shown in the guide book by Aarron Davis.

It is a DWM, and has "1916" on the top. "Gesichert" under the safety.

Take a look at the pics, and you will see what I mean, one of the marks on the barrel looks like someone throwing up or heaving something.....

I have also included a picture of the Proof Marks.

I have had a problem trying to get an approx value on this one, as like I said the marks don't lead me to a definitive conclusion as to what it is.

Frank · 06-13-2006, 09:42 AM

Hi Win, welcome to the Luger Forum!! The markings on the bottom of the 1916 barrel are British Proof Test Marks, which means the pistol was imported into the UK at one time. The pistols value is difficult to say without much more information as to condition. Please post as many photos as you can, then the Forum Members can give you some assistance!

Edward Tinker · 06-13-2006, 06:27 PM

and don't go by Davis' price guide, unless you are trying to rip your friend off. Davis guide is out of date, inaccurate and not correct...

Welcome to the forum!

We'd like to hear what else you are "watching"?

When you post, you can do all at once, but seperate them or even better one or two posted at a time, description and then pictures of one, then description and pictures of another....

ed

Lugerdoc · 06-14-2006, 08:16 AM

Win, I concur with Frank that these are British proofing. In addition to the marks under the barrel, all other major components (frame, receiver, toggle parts) with usually have a crown/letters stamp. Even British GI war trophies had to go though the proof house to be legally registered. TH

Gun Oil · 06-16-2006, 01:33 AM

What effect does the British influence have on the value....? Does it increase? Decrease? just a novelty?

I will take a couple of pics and post.

One of the other guns appears to be a "Black Widow"

Gun Oil · 06-16-2006, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Edward Tinker
and don't go by Davis' price guide, unless you are trying to rip your friend off. Davis guide is out of date, inaccurate and not correct...

Welcome to the forum!

We'd like to hear what else you are "watching"?

When you post, you can do all at once, but seperate them or even better one or two posted at a time, description and then pictures of one, then description and pictures of another....

ed

So would you consider the Davis guide to be too high or too low? I'll assume too low.

Gun Oil · 06-16-2006, 02:07 AM

More pics are up, In my oppinion the gun is 90%

Original finish for sure, to me wear in all the right places!

See my first post on the start of the thread.

Dwight Gruber · 06-16-2006, 03:19 AM

Reputedly Davis's prices are made up out of whole cloth because his publisher insisted that he have a price guide.

Davis's book is full of inaccuracy and error, and (except for the identification matrix at the beginning) should not be relied upon or referred to for any information under any circumstances.

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 06-16-2006, 07:39 AM

To many collectors the british markings lowers the value. I don't feel a lot, but they are import markings...

If all original (not reblue, all matching except magazine and firing pin matches, maybe grips), I would say the entire gun and holster is worth $1000, maybe a bit more and to some collectors less, because of the british markings.

More information, rather than less helps us, full serial to include suffix (you can x out the last two if you want), if all matching, etc....

Ed

Lugerdoc · 06-17-2006, 08:31 AM

IMHO the only collectors interested in British proof marks, are collectors of British guns. Not too many of those guys want a luger, unless it has British Army (broad Arrow) acceptance, and I've never seen one like that. TH

06-13-2006, 12:24 AM	#1
Gun Oil User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help on 1 of 6 Lugers that I am "taking care" of MORE PICS ADDED!!!!! I have a friend who keeps 6 Lugers that belonged to a relative on his wifes side in a box, in his closet! He had other interests that parallel mine, and I may be able to trade in to these. I convinced him to let me keep them for a few weeks to do my due diligence, and he has agreed. This particular gun is interesting in that it has all kinds of stampings on the barrel that the other 5 are void of. It also has Proof Marks that don't jive with the ones shown in the guide book by Aarron Davis. It is a DWM, and has "1916" on the top. "Gesichert" under the safety. Take a look at the pics, and you will see what I mean, one of the marks on the barrel looks like someone throwing up or heaving something..... I have also included a picture of the Proof Marks. I have had a problem trying to get an approx value on this one, as like I said the marks don't lead me to a definitive conclusion as to what it is.

06-14-2006, 08:16 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Win, I concur with Frank that these are British proofing. In addition to the marks under the barrel, all other major components (frame, receiver, toggle parts) with usually have a crown/letters stamp. Even British GI war trophies had to go though the proof house to be legally registered. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-17-2006, 08:31 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	IMHO the only collectors interested in British proof marks, are collectors of British guns. Not too many of those guys want a luger, unless it has British Army (broad Arrow) acceptance, and I've never seen one like that. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-13-2006, 09:42 AM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Win, welcome to the Luger Forum!! The markings on the bottom of the 1916 barrel are British Proof Test Marks, which means the pistol was imported into the UK at one time. The pistols value is difficult to say without much more information as to condition. Please post as many photos as you can, then the Forum Members can give you some assistance!

06-13-2006, 06:27 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	and don't go by Davis' price guide, unless you are trying to rip your friend off. Davis guide is out of date, inaccurate and not correct... Welcome to the forum! We'd like to hear what else you are "watching"? When you post, you can do all at once, but seperate them or even better one or two posted at a time, description and then pictures of one, then description and pictures of another.... ed

06-16-2006, 01:33 AM	#5
Gun Oil User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What effect does the British influence have on the value....? Does it increase? Decrease? just a novelty? I will take a couple of pics and post. One of the other guns appears to be a "Black Widow"

06-16-2006, 02:07 AM	#7
Gun Oil User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More pics are up, In my oppinion the gun is 90% Original finish for sure, to me wear in all the right places! See my first post on the start of the thread.

06-16-2006, 03:19 AM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Reputedly Davis's prices are made up out of whole cloth because his publisher insisted that he have a price guide. Davis's book is full of inaccuracy and error, and (except for the identification matrix at the beginning) should not be relied upon or referred to for any information under any circumstances. --Dwight

06-16-2006, 07:39 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	To many collectors the british markings lowers the value. I don't feel a lot, but they are import markings... If all original (not reblue, all matching except magazine and firing pin matches, maybe grips), I would say the entire gun and holster is worth $1000, maybe a bit more and to some collectors less, because of the british markings. More information, rather than less helps us, full serial to include suffix (you can x out the last two if you want), if all matching, etc.... Ed