How to waste a Sunday 101

Ron Smith · 02-20-2006, 12:18 PM

Went up in the boonies and shot Ruger Bisley Vaquaro's and Benelli M-1s.

Shooting a 8" diameter rock imbedded in the cut bank, at about 200 yds give or take 10 yds.

We were using 300 gr LBT hard cast bullets in the Rugers. Winchester slugs in the Benellis. Both pistols and shotguns were very accurate at that range. The slugs actually surprised us. I wouldn't hesitate using a slug on a deer or Elk at that range.

The darker brown spot in the center of the red block is the bullet grouping.

I highly recommend it to blow off some stress..

Ron

Rod WMG · 02-20-2006, 01:30 PM

Ron, that is a fine stress reliever--one of the best I know.

Have you ever tried any of the "Black Magic" Brenneke slugs? Those things sure look promising, but no one seems to have used them in my acquaintance.

How do you like the Benelis?

Ron Smith · 02-22-2006, 10:15 AM

Hi Rod,

We did try the 'Black Magic' slugs. they weren't nearly as accurate as the old Winchester rifled slugs. They did give better penetration though.

We love the Benellis. They will feed anything without a single jam. They can be fired as rapidly as you can pull the trigger. And still maintain a target picture.

If the LA police had been armed with them loaded with the Brenneke slugs. The full auto shoot out would have been ended very rapidly. Even with heavy body armor, they couldn't have withstood 2 or 3 rapid body hits.

As has been said, "It will not penetrate a ballistic vest. It will however suck the fabric through the otherside of your body."

Ron

Rod WMG · 02-22-2006, 01:16 PM

Hey, Ron, thanks for the report on the slugs. I sure liked the looks of them and may yet order some to try in my Stoeger Coachgun. The easier to get Winchester news is encouraging.

Guess I'll have to buy a Beneli now.

pipeman45 · 02-22-2006, 02:49 PM

Any day spent shooting or fishing--- isn't wasted. It's been lived!

Big Norm · 03-04-2006, 10:15 PM

Ron,
I recently bought a Remington 1100, a Ruger .357 SS police revolver w/2" barrel and a 1937 S-42 from a lady whose husband recently died. She wouldn't part with the Luger unless I also bought the other two guns. I was, and am, wondering how slugs would do in my Remington? We can't use rifles in the Southern half of the lower part of Michigan for deer hunting. But shooting accurately with slugs at 200 yards would do just fine in farm country, although I would hate to put a scope on that beautiful and near new shotgun.
Big Norm

Ron Smith · 03-05-2006, 10:23 AM

Hi Tac,

I envy your misery.

Although, I do undrstand the "****es" endured by the numerous gun restrictions imposed by your gov't. Hopfully ours won't get that far.

How do you purchase black powder? Don't they have severe restrictions on it?

Most cities here in Oregon have made the security ordinances so stringent that dealers either don't want the hassle, or can't get insurance.
Springfield being one of the exceptions.

We have customers that drive 200 miles just to buy 1 or 2 pounds of it at the shop where I work.

We can only ship it in 25 pound lots. And it has to be marked and prepared in a very exact manner.

Ron

Steve Richards · 03-14-2006, 08:21 PM

Tac,

Let everyone know when you are coming to Oregon and maybe a group of us can get together again. I enjoyed your company the last time!

The shop where Ron works is incredible!

Steve Richards

John Sabato · 03-15-2006, 06:51 AM

Tac, I think your meant "Smith" not Wood... Smith is in Orygun... Wood is in New Mexico near the border to El Paso.... I would get 'em confused too... but one is rich, and the other is like me

(I'lll leave you to speculate which one is which)... Are ya coming anywhere near the Virginia/DC area during your visit?

Ron Smith · 03-15-2006, 08:08 AM

Hi Tac,

Sorry, I'm such a motor mouth gad about, I lost this thread.

The shop is in Springfield. 247 South 2nd street.

http://www.thegunworks.com/

Ron

Ron Smith · 03-15-2006, 09:46 AM

Anytime! I'll be happy to have you come by.

Ron

Aaron · 03-15-2006, 02:13 PM

Tac, I do my shooting with fascinating weapons on a small ranch here in southern Cal. Should your travels bring you this far south don't hesitate to contact me for a day of recreation and sight seeing.

Shalom from Aaron
USN/Ret.

02-20-2006, 12:18 PM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	How to waste a Sunday 101 Went up in the boonies and shot Ruger Bisley Vaquaro's and Benelli M-1s. Shooting a 8" diameter rock imbedded in the cut bank, at about 200 yds give or take 10 yds. We were using 300 gr LBT hard cast bullets in the Rugers. Winchester slugs in the Benellis. Both pistols and shotguns were very accurate at that range. The slugs actually surprised us. I wouldn't hesitate using a slug on a deer or Elk at that range. The darker brown spot in the center of the red block is the bullet grouping. I highly recommend it to blow off some stress.. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-22-2006, 10:15 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Rod, We did try the 'Black Magic' slugs. they weren't nearly as accurate as the old Winchester rifled slugs. They did give better penetration though. We love the Benellis. They will feed anything without a single jam. They can be fired as rapidly as you can pull the trigger. And still maintain a target picture. If the LA police had been armed with them loaded with the Brenneke slugs. The full auto shoot out would have been ended very rapidly. Even with heavy body armor, they couldn't have withstood 2 or 3 rapid body hits. As has been said, "It will not penetrate a ballistic vest. It will however suck the fabric through the otherside of your body." Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-22-2006, 02:49 PM	#5
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Any day spent shooting or fishing--- isn't wasted. It's been lived! __________________ Dave

03-05-2006, 10:23 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Tac, I envy your misery. Although, I do undrstand the "**es" endured by the numerous gun restrictions imposed by your gov't. Hopfully ours won't get that far. How do you purchase black powder? Don't they have severe restrictions on it? Most cities here in Oregon have made the security ordinances so stringent that dealers either don't want the hassle, or can't get insurance. Springfield being one of the exceptions. We have customers that drive 200 miles just to buy 1 or 2 pounds of it at the shop where I work. We can only ship it in 25 pound lots. And it has to be marked and prepared in a very exact manner. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~** said...

03-15-2006, 06:51 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Tac, I think your meant "Smith" not Wood... Smith is in Orygun... Wood is in New Mexico near the border to El Paso.... I would get 'em confused too... but one is rich, and the other is like me (I'lll leave you to speculate which one is which)... Are ya coming anywhere near the Virginia/DC area during your visit? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-20-2006, 01:30 PM	#2
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, that is a fine stress reliever--one of the best I know. Have you ever tried any of the "Black Magic" Brenneke slugs? Those things sure look promising, but no one seems to have used them in my acquaintance. How do you like the Benelis?

02-22-2006, 01:16 PM	#4
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey, Ron, thanks for the report on the slugs. I sure liked the looks of them and may yet order some to try in my Stoeger Coachgun. The easier to get Winchester news is encouraging. Guess I'll have to buy a Beneli now.

03-04-2006, 10:15 PM	#6
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Ron, I recently bought a Remington 1100, a Ruger .357 SS police revolver w/2" barrel and a 1937 S-42 from a lady whose husband recently died. She wouldn't part with the Luger unless I also bought the other two guns. I was, and am, wondering how slugs would do in my Remington? We can't use rifles in the Southern half of the lower part of Michigan for deer hunting. But shooting accurately with slugs at 200 yards would do just fine in farm country, although I would hate to put a scope on that beautiful and near new shotgun. Big Norm

03-14-2006, 08:21 PM	#8
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Tac, Let everyone know when you are coming to Oregon and maybe a group of us can get together again. I enjoyed your company the last time! The shop where Ron works is incredible! Steve Richards

03-15-2006, 08:08 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Tac, Sorry, I'm such a motor mouth gad about, I lost this thread. The shop is in Springfield. 247 South 2nd street. http://www.thegunworks.com/ Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-15-2006, 09:46 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Anytime! I'll be happy to have you come by. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-15-2006, 02:13 PM	#12
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Tac, I do my shooting with fascinating weapons on a small ranch here in southern Cal. Should your travels bring you this far south don't hesitate to contact me for a day of recreation and sight seeing. Shalom from Aaron USN/Ret.