WTK about German war badges-PICS included now (thanks Pete for photo help)

minigun · 11-27-2005, 01:26 PM

I've run across a German U-boat badge at a gunshow yesterday. I bought it for almost nothing just becuase I thought it was neat. It was mixed in with a bunch of U.S. award medals and watches. When asking the man selling the items where this particular German badge came from, he stated it was mixed in with a lot of stuff from an auction he bought. He had no idea of its origin.

I took it to a collector of these things. That collector took it to some of his fellow collectors. They all agreed its an original.

Okay, the badge has the stamp "DESCHLERSOHN" on the back. The collectors tell me due to the weight of the badge, detail on the sub and eagle and such and the fact that the maker (or stamp on the back) is not a well known maker that they thought it to be genuine.

I have no idea. Any other way to tell if its original or not? Thanks for all help out there. Compared to one that the collectors were selling, I can't tell them apart.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-27-2005, 10:33 PM

Minnigun, One way to ease your mind is to look at the propeller area. The Germans went to great lengths to cast good detail into this. The running gear should be clear and detailed. Repro's do not have this detail. It is washed out. Jerry Burney

minigun · 11-28-2005, 10:38 AM

Thanks for your help. The prop detail was one of the things the collectors told me they used to determine mine was original. It is crisp and well detailed.

Herb · 11-28-2005, 10:44 AM

Minigun, here is a link to an authentic example, scroll down to the last entry...

http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/germanbadges.htm

Pete Ebbink · 11-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Here are photos of the badge Kelly asked about...Kelly asked that I might post the photos for him :

George Anderson · 11-28-2005, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Herb
Minigun, here is a link to an authentic example, scroll down to the last entry...

http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/germanbadges.htm

I would be very cautious in doing business with this dealer (Snyder) as I have read nothing but negative reports on his goods.

minigun · 11-28-2005, 04:45 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. Any "little tricks" to make 100% sure she's original. I wouldn't sell it, I just wanted to know for my own knowledge. I bought it thinking it was going to be a fake (especially for as little as it cost) just to fill up corner space in pictures when I photo'ed my Lugers.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-28-2005, 05:10 PM

Minnigun, Looks authentic to me. All the details are crisp and sharp. Sounds like you got a good deal. Jerry Burney

Lyn Islaub · 11-28-2005, 10:45 PM

Kelly,
Deschler & Sohn were very proflic makers of both German military and civilian badges in the 1933-45 timeframe. Many post-war reproductions also carry the Deschler maker mark. I'm traveling right now and don't have my reference books with me, but I am concerned that the legs of the swastika on your badge are solid and not cut-out. The germans were very proud of their national emblem and rarely do the original badges have solid swastikas. I will take a better look when I get back home this weekend and give you some additional feedback, but if you look at the examples on Snyders website you will note the difference. George is correct in that it pays to be cautious buying from some of the military websites, as the level of reproductions these days is almost overwhelming and the quality of the repros is as good or better than some of the originals. Kind of like some Lugers you see now days.
Lyn

lugerholsterrepair · 11-29-2005, 12:03 AM

Once again, the devil is in the details...Jerry Burney

minigun · 11-29-2005, 12:30 AM

Hmmm, interesting. The Swastika may hold the key then. I also noticed that on the examples on "Snyder's" web site that the Swastika's are "cut out" unlike mine (as mine is solid). The examples on "Snyder's" web site also show different back pin clips too though. So, I still don't know and would be really interested to know the true origin.

None of these had solid Swastika's? Why would this company make "post war" badges like this?

the gunman · 11-29-2005, 08:15 AM

Sure hope this is not the infamous " CHARLIE SNYDER" Thought some one shot him.

George Anderson · 11-29-2005, 08:40 AM

Same one Ritchie.

Lyn Islaub · 11-29-2005, 11:50 AM

Kelly,
I should also have mentioned that Deschler's maker mark is normally written as "Deschler & Sohn " and not run together as on your badge.
Lyn

minigun · 11-29-2005, 07:50 PM

Whoa! Sounding worse and worse. The name maker never ran together ever?

11-27-2005, 01:26 PM	#1
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	WTK about German war badges-PICS included now (thanks Pete for photo help) I've run across a German U-boat badge at a gunshow yesterday. I bought it for almost nothing just becuase I thought it was neat. It was mixed in with a bunch of U.S. award medals and watches. When asking the man selling the items where this particular German badge came from, he stated it was mixed in with a lot of stuff from an auction he bought. He had no idea of its origin. I took it to a collector of these things. That collector took it to some of his fellow collectors. They all agreed its an original. Okay, the badge has the stamp "DESCHLERSOHN" on the back. The collectors tell me due to the weight of the badge, detail on the sub and eagle and such and the fact that the maker (or stamp on the back) is not a well known maker that they thought it to be genuine. I have no idea. Any other way to tell if its original or not? Thanks for all help out there. Compared to one that the collectors were selling, I can't tell them apart.

11-27-2005, 10:33 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Minnigun, One way to ease your mind is to look at the propeller area. The Germans went to great lengths to cast good detail into this. The running gear should be clear and detailed. Repro's do not have this detail. It is washed out. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-28-2005, 10:44 AM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Minigun, here is a link to an authentic example, scroll down to the last entry... http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/germanbadges.htm __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

11-28-2005, 05:10 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Minnigun, Looks authentic to me. All the details are crisp and sharp. Sounds like you got a good deal. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-29-2005, 12:03 AM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Once again, the devil is in the details...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-28-2005, 10:38 AM	#3
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Thanks for your help. The prop detail was one of the things the collectors told me they used to determine mine was original. It is crisp and well detailed.

11-28-2005, 02:08 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here are photos of the badge Kelly asked about...Kelly asked that I might post the photos for him :

11-28-2005, 04:45 PM	#7
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Thanks for all the help guys. Any "little tricks" to make 100% sure she's original. I wouldn't sell it, I just wanted to know for my own knowledge. I bought it thinking it was going to be a fake (especially for as little as it cost) just to fill up corner space in pictures when I photo'ed my Lugers.

11-28-2005, 10:45 PM	#9
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Kelly, Deschler & Sohn were very proflic makers of both German military and civilian badges in the 1933-45 timeframe. Many post-war reproductions also carry the Deschler maker mark. I'm traveling right now and don't have my reference books with me, but I am concerned that the legs of the swastika on your badge are solid and not cut-out. The germans were very proud of their national emblem and rarely do the original badges have solid swastikas. I will take a better look when I get back home this weekend and give you some additional feedback, but if you look at the examples on Snyders website you will note the difference. George is correct in that it pays to be cautious buying from some of the military websites, as the level of reproductions these days is almost overwhelming and the quality of the repros is as good or better than some of the originals. Kind of like some Lugers you see now days. Lyn

11-29-2005, 12:30 AM	#11
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Hmmm, interesting. The Swastika may hold the key then. I also noticed that on the examples on "Snyder's" web site that the Swastika's are "cut out" unlike mine (as mine is solid). The examples on "Snyder's" web site also show different back pin clips too though. So, I still don't know and would be really interested to know the true origin. None of these had solid Swastika's? Why would this company make "post war" badges like this?

11-29-2005, 08:15 AM	#12
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Sure hope this is not the infamous " CHARLIE SNYDER" Thought some one shot him.

11-29-2005, 08:40 AM	#13
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Same one Ritchie.

11-29-2005, 11:50 AM	#14
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Kelly, I should also have mentioned that Deschler's maker mark is normally written as "Deschler & Sohn " and not run together as on your badge. Lyn

11-29-2005, 07:50 PM	#15
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 16 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Whoa! Sounding worse and worse. The name maker never ran together ever?