Two odd Lugers

06-03-2001, 10:40 PM

Can any one help me identify two Lugers I have recently picked up.

Luger 1,

1921 DWM serial number 87982 , Cal 9mm. All matching numbers except the magazine.

There is what looks like an X in a circle under the number on the front of the frame.

It has no marks other than the commercial proofs of a crown over N on the barrel, the side of the toggle and the frame. It has no stock lug. The gun looks to have been arsenal refinished in a black blue all over

Including sears, trigger etc. The gun has been machined for the sear safety but the sear safety is missing. It has dark brown (almost black) bakelite grips with a series of five concentric circles molded in at the same height as the magazine release button.

Luger 2,

1917 DWM serial number 7769. Only two numbers on the entire gun (9mm). It has Imperial army acceptance marks plus 3 gothic army inspectors marks on the usual side.

The barrel is one inch longer that the usual 4 inch and the front sight is the same as a Swedish lathi sights.

The barrel is marked with a circle containing a triangle and a T inside the triangle.

The toggles are smooth (no knurling) and the edges of the toggles are rounded.

Murray Willis,

Great Barrier Island

New Zealand

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 06-03-2001, 10:45 PM

Hi

I can't help you with the first one but the second one have a finnish Tikkakoski barrel installed.

Those rebarrelings was awfully common in Sweden and Finland up to the 60th and maybe 70 th as the Lugers was very common competition guns and many guns have had their barrels shoot out.

Another finnish barrel that is common is the one Marked Sako.

It sounds like the gun have a toggle from a 1929 Swiss Luger.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

http://www.vapensmedjan.com

06-03-2001, 11:36 PM

Number One sounds like an East German rework of a 1921 Police Gun Serial number puts iut almost at the end of the commercial SN range prior to starting four diget numbers and letters. Sounds like Stock Lug has been Gground for some reason. If you have Stills book on Wiemer Lugers check out section on 1921 Luger.

06-03-2001, 11:38 PM

Thank you Hakan for you message,

Your answer is sound as I now remember that I bought this luger from a dealer that specializes in Swedish and Finish fire-arms.

I thought that it might have just been "made up" out of odd parts but your explanation makes sense.

Thank you very much.

Murray Willis

Great Barrier Island

New Zealand.

06-04-2001, 08:14 AM

Your 1919 DWM #87982 (most collectors still call this a M23 commerical) was reworked for the German Police into a 9mm and added sear safety. Later rework, probaly on a pre-1914 frame (which has been renumbered) by the E. Germans in the 1950s. If a new EG crown over N barrel was added, it may have the date of installation below C/N (eg. 853, would be August of 1953) inaddition to the normal importer markings. Your 1917 DWM #7769 was rebarreled by the Finns to Lathi barrel length and probably has a new M29 Swiss rear toggle link, as they were the only source of new luger parts when this pistol was reworked.

06-03-2001, 10:40 PM	#1
Murray Willis Guest Posts: n/a	Two odd Lugers Can any one help me identify two Lugers I have recently picked up. Luger 1, 1921 DWM serial number 87982 , Cal 9mm. All matching numbers except the magazine. There is what looks like an X in a circle under the number on the front of the frame. It has no marks other than the commercial proofs of a crown over N on the barrel, the side of the toggle and the frame. It has no stock lug. The gun looks to have been arsenal refinished in a black blue all over Including sears, trigger etc. The gun has been machined for the sear safety but the sear safety is missing. It has dark brown (almost black) bakelite grips with a series of five concentric circles molded in at the same height as the magazine release button. Luger 2, 1917 DWM serial number 7769. Only two numbers on the entire gun (9mm). It has Imperial army acceptance marks plus 3 gothic army inspectors marks on the usual side. The barrel is one inch longer that the usual 4 inch and the front sight is the same as a Swedish lathi sights. The barrel is marked with a circle containing a triangle and a T inside the triangle. The toggles are smooth (no knurling) and the edges of the toggles are rounded. Murray Willis, Great Barrier Island New Zealand

06-03-2001, 10:45 PM	#2
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Two odd Lugers Hi I can't help you with the first one but the second one have a finnish Tikkakoski barrel installed. Those rebarrelings was awfully common in Sweden and Finland up to the 60th and maybe 70 th as the Lugers was very common competition guns and many guns have had their barrels shoot out. Another finnish barrel that is common is the one Marked Sako. It sounds like the gun have a toggle from a 1929 Swiss Luger. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan http://www.vapensmedjan.com

06-03-2001, 11:36 PM	#3
Tracy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Two odd Lugers Number One sounds like an East German rework of a 1921 Police Gun Serial number puts iut almost at the end of the commercial SN range prior to starting four diget numbers and letters. Sounds like Stock Lug has been Gground for some reason. If you have Stills book on Wiemer Lugers check out section on 1921 Luger.

06-03-2001, 11:38 PM	#4
Murray Willis Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Two odd Lugers Thank you Hakan for you message, Your answer is sound as I now remember that I bought this luger from a dealer that specializes in Swedish and Finish fire-arms. I thought that it might have just been "made up" out of odd parts but your explanation makes sense. Thank you very much. Murray Willis Great Barrier Island New Zealand.

06-04-2001, 08:14 AM	#5
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Two odd Lugers ID Your 1919 DWM #87982 (most collectors still call this a M23 commerical) was reworked for the German Police into a 9mm and added sear safety. Later rework, probaly on a pre-1914 frame (which has been renumbered) by the E. Germans in the 1950s. If a new EG crown over N barrel was added, it may have the date of installation below C/N (eg. 853, would be August of 1953) inaddition to the normal importer markings. Your 1917 DWM #7769 was rebarreled by the Finns to Lathi barrel length and probably has a new M29 Swiss rear toggle link, as they were the only source of new luger parts when this pistol was reworked.